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Indecision 2012 - Stage of Grief: Acceptance (Northeast 4/24)

  • alexander2 said...

    So you are saying Ron Paul sounded like April Glaspie, US Ambassador to Iraq who :

    1. I'm not sure how comparing anything being said to a view that was roundly criticized says much about Ron Paul. More importantly, I'm not saying Ron Paul sounded like that person.

    2. The statement I quoted was actually said by Chamberlain about Hitler. By assuming I was quoting Ron Paul, you essentially proved my point regarding that comparison.

    terps99

  • alexander2 said...

    FDR didn't intervene with Hitler until after Germany declared war on the US following Pearl Harbor.

    Wellllll, that's not really true.

    bkmalik

  • terps99 said...

    1. I'm not sure how comparing anything being said to a view that was roundly criticized says much about Ron Paul. More importantly, I'm not saying Ron Paul sounded like that person.

    2. The statement I quoted was actually said by Chamberlain about Hitler. By assuming I was quoting Ron Paul, you essentially proved my point regarding that comparison.

    I knew it was said by Chamberlain. He, like many in the West at the time, was more afraid of Communism than Fascism. Chamberlain is the fall guy for the idiotic Treaty of Versailles after WW 1 and famine in Germany caused by the British food embargo that continued after WW 1 ended until Germany agreed to the treaty. I really don't want to bog this thread further down into a discussion of the stupidity of the US, British and French in dealing with Hitler and Stalin.

    My point was that Paul was not the only US political figure who did not want to get into a war in the Middle East. Unless you think Bush wanted to bait Iraq into Kuwait, his ambassador's statements indicate that the White House did not care either.

    This post was edited by alexander2 on 12/27/2011 at 9:36 PM

    MARYLAND. The area they’re now calling the DMV—D.C./Maryland/Northern Virginia—might be the country’s richest talent mine.

    alexander2

  • Fair enough. I guess my point is that in today's political climate, especially post-9/11 and post two wars in the Middle East, America isn't exactly ready to elect someone who is perceived to have a laissez faire attitude towards crazy foreign governments arming themselves.

    terps99

  • terps99 said...

    Fair enough. I guess my point is that in today's political climate, especially post-9/11 and post two wars in the Middle East, America isn't exactly ready to elect someone who is perceived to have a laissez faire attitude towards crazy foreign governments arming themselves.

    Iran is run by a bunch of rich "holy men" who have family dynasties that go back generations. The term mullah as slang for money is no accident.

    The only loose cannon there is the President who has less power than a US Governor. He controls no armed forces and there is talk of removing him from office because he is bad for business.

    MARYLAND. The area they’re now calling the DMV—D.C./Maryland/Northern Virginia—might be the country’s richest talent mine.

    alexander2

  • "Someone who is perceived to have a laissez faire attitude towards crazy foreign governments arming themselves."

    Good luck explaining the nuances of Iran's internal politics to American voters.

    terps99

  • terps99 said...

    "Someone who is perceived to have a laissez faire attitude towards crazy foreign governments arming themselves."

    Good luck explaining the nuances of Iran's internal politics to American voters.

    Its easy, they are different from us, therefore they need some shock and awe.

    MARYLAND. The area they’re now calling the DMV—D.C./Maryland/Northern Virginia—might be the country’s richest talent mine.

    alexander2

  • http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/12/paul-maintains-his-lead.html

    The last week and a half has brought little change in the standings for the Iowa Republican caucus: Ron Paul continues to lead Mitt Romney by a modest margin, 24-20. Newt Gingrich is in 3rd at 13% followed by Michele Bachmann at 11%, Rick Perry and Rick Santorum at 10%, Jon Huntsman at 4%, and Buddy Roemer at 2%.

    PaulUMD

  • PaulUMD said...

    http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2011/12/paul-maintains-his-lead.html

    The last week and a half has brought little change in the standings for the Iowa Republican caucus: Ron Paul continues to lead Mitt Romney by a modest margin, 24-20. Newt Gingrich is in 3rd at 13% followed by Michele Bachmann at 11%, Rick Perry and Rick Santorum at 10%, Jon Huntsman at 4%, and Buddy Roemer at 2%.

    +1 me if you have no clue who Buddy Roemer is and/or had to look him up recently.

    terps99

  • PaulUMD said...

    The real story here will be when Paul runs as a third party candidate. He's being mighty coy about the possibility now when in the past he's flatly denied it. Romney winning would probably be the most likely scenario we see a challenge from the right.

    I think I said it in the other thread too, but I don't think Paul goes 3rd party. He'd be signing his son's political death warrant. Angry Republican voters would primary Rand because of his dad's decision to kill the GOP's chances to unseat Obama.

    ryalaman

  • I know who Buddy Roemer is anyways but he did get some press when he joined the occupy people the other week

    jt082005

  • terps99 said...

    +1 me if you have no clue who Buddy Roemer is and/or had to look him up recently.

    Buddy Roemer is the man that everyone who is upset with the state of our politics should be supporting. He understands how money has corrupted our political system. A conservative who went to OWS and talked with and listened to the folks.

    WesternMan

  • Speaking of 3rd party runs, Donald Trump unregistered as a Republican over the past week. Setting himself up for a 3rd party run? I can't even imagine the level of hilarity/trolling that Trump would bring to the race.

    terps99

  • Looks like all this newsletter stuff is hurting Paul in Iowatongue

    This post was edited by redraven1 on 12/28/2011 at 1:41 AM

    redraven1

  • I think Trump is bluffing, but I also think he has the ego to decide to stop bluffing at any time.

    I also think Paul's campaign and the buzz around it reminds me quite a bit of Pat Buchanan's campaigns in '92 and '96, except Buchanan was running against two GOP titans, Bush Sr. and Bob Dole. Buchanan was THE alternative candidate (21-22% in each election, for a clear 2nd place) whereas Paul is just one of many.

    frode

  • Coltsfan1832 said...

    Romney is a lot like John Kerry and his policies are probably close to Kerry as well. The Republicans are getting slaughtered either way. Maybe Ron Paul if he is given a fair chance can stand toe to toe with Obama. He's a lot likelier to get independent voters than Mitt Romney is.

    lol. truly backwards political analysis like this is why i can't help but adore overconfident liberals. so romney will get slaughtered but paul will put up a fight? what planet are you from?

    brooheel2

  • redraven1 said...

    Looks like all this newsletter stuff is hurting Paul in Iowatongue

    Well there goes any discussion of actual cuts in Government spending outside of gutting Social Security and Medicare. Paul's role in this election was to be like the child in the story, The Emperor's New Clothes" who pointed out that the Emperor was naked. Now the debate will center on gay marriage, creationism and who will bomb Iran, Syria and N Korea furthest into the Stone age.

    Has anyone kept track of the average amount of time Newt, Bachman, Perry , Cain and Paul lasted before getting gutted ? Mittens must have been born with a lucky horseshoe in his hands.

    This post was edited by alexander2 on 12/28/2011 at 8:16 AM

    MARYLAND. The area they’re now calling the DMV—D.C./Maryland/Northern Virginia—might be the country’s richest talent mine.

    alexander2

  • Iowa GOP moving vote-count to 'undisclosed location' - POLITICO.com

    2012 presidential campaign news and analysis, including candidate profiles, early primary and caucus state updates, polls, endorsements, staff and fundraising.

    www.politico.com

    frode

  • Trump may as well be Palin at this point the way he is constantly trying to stay relevant by intimating once a month that he will get in the race.

    Looks like Huntsman is getting some momentum headed into NH.

    Sdog

  • ryalaman said...

    I think I said it in the other thread too, but I don't think Paul goes 3rd party. He'd be signing his son's political death warrant. Angry Republican voters would primary Rand because of his dad's decision to kill the GOP's chances to unseat Obama.

    Eh - I doubt it. Conservatives love Rand, and there isn't any room to his right to run a primary challenger. I'm sure they'd find a way to get payback on someone, but I doubt that will play into the decision making. I think if it is Mittens or Newt he'd give it some serious thought.

    NYCTerp05: i guarantee you my child won't turn out gay

    JemoTerp

  • frode said...

    Iowa GOP moving vote-count to 'undisclosed location' - POLITICO.com

    Talk about killing two birds with one stone. OWS is painted as a terrorist organization and thanks to hanging Chads, Ron Paul can kiss a top 3 finish goodbye. This also takes care of Buddy Roemer who spoke with the OWS people.

    The Dems will love this. They can bring up the Florida recounts to rally their wavering supporters for next year.

    This post was edited by alexander2 on 12/28/2011 at 9:42 AM

    MARYLAND. The area they’re now calling the DMV—D.C./Maryland/Northern Virginia—might be the country’s richest talent mine.

    alexander2

  • JemoTerp said...

    Eh - I doubt it. Conservatives love Rand, and there isn't any room to his right to run a primary challenger. I'm sure they'd find a way to get payback on someone, but I doubt that will play into the decision making. I think if it is Mittens or Newt he'd give it some serious thought.

    Why does Rand's primary challenger even have to differ from him politically? It wouldn't be a normal primary challenge, it would just be a way to punish Ron Paul for ensuring 4 more years of Obama.

    ryalaman

  • What's hilarious is that Newt is attacking Ron Paul for being racist even though Ron Paul voted in 1979 to make Martin Luther King a national holiday. Guess who voted against it? Newt....oh and Dick Cheney.

    Play

    http://www.youtube.com/v/DerssvxVHp4

    ScheyerFace

  • alexander2 said...

    Talk about killing two birds with one stone. OWS is painted as a terrorist organization and thanks to hanging Chads, Ron Paul can kiss a top 3 finish goodbye. This also takes care of Buddy Roemer who spoke with the OWS people.

    The Dems will love this. They can bring up the Florida recounts to rally their wavering supporters for next year.

    Wow...multiple contrived conspiracy theories, all converging. Who would have thought?

    frode

  • Wow, HBO coming out with a movie about Sarah Palin starring Julianne Moore, Woody Harrelson, and Ed Harris. I guess Bill Maher and Ed Asner weren't available. That should be a level headed film.

    sugarmag