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Indecision 2012 - Stage of Grief: Acceptance (Northeast 4/24)

  • Old thread: http://maryland.247sports.com/Board/56/Republican-POTUS-Candidate-Thread-1559014/1

    For all things regarding the GOP primary/presidential race. Iowa is up first, in one week. Here's a good primer:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/12/27/an_iowa_caucus_primer_how_the_process_works_112543.html

    Key points are that the Pubs do their caucusing with secret ballots, not standing and shuffling around people. Also no eligibility thresholds. Only the Dems do it that way. So the idea of public pressure for or against candidates and people making deals for shifting support doesn't happen. It will be a much more regular vote, which is why organization has not been as important this time around.

    This post has been edited 16 times, most recently by PaulUMD on 4/3/2012 at 9:56 PM

    PaulUMD

  • The Republican establishment smear tactics on Ron Paul has already started. Brace yourself for more attacks when he wins in Iowa.

    Charles Lane: Ron Paul Has The "Foreign Policy Views Of Jeremiah Wright"

    �� (via Daily Caller)

    www.realclearpolitics.com

    Coltsfan1832644

  • Haven't really paid attention for a while - didn't realize Iowa GOP does something closer to a straight vote than a deliberative caucus. Wondering if that will help or hurt Paul (outside GOP mainstream) and Romney (Mormon problem), who at this point are the clear favorites to win.

    gocaps1

  • Thank you Ron Paul for kicking ass now as I can troll more people on Facebook. I used to just troll anti-Cain and piss off so many now it is the people who just hate Ron Paul

    jt082005

  • This post was edited by Coltsfan1832644 on 12/27/2011 at 12:37 PM

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    Coltsfan1832644

  • The fact that Newt Gingrich is a top 3 candidate is really telling for the Republican party, I mean at least he's not Michelle Bachmann but still. All of these candidates are terrible. Ron Paul got laughed off the stage in 2008.

    A.B.E.

    historicus ●

  • historicus said...

    The fact that Newt Gingrich is a top 3 candidate is really telling for the Republican party, I mean at least he's not Michelle Bachmann but still. All of these candidates are terrible. Ron Paul got laughed off the stage in 2008.

    The last few years, the GOP base has turned on any candidate with a shred of nuanced thinking, willingness to compromise, or departure from the orthodoxy. Bob Bennett, of all people, was deemed "a RINO". The bomb-throwers/mega-wealthy are the only ones left, and while that's great fun for the base, it's not so good for turning out electable candidates. Ronald Reagan is justifiably venerated in conservative circles today - but in today's climate he would absolutely be labeled a RINO.

    gocaps1

  • Washington Post trolling the Iowa Caucus...

    Many Iowans struggle with political indecision - The Washington Post

    Four Iowanst Iowa just make up its mind?

    www.washingtonpost.com

    gurgle

  • gurgle said...

    Washington Post trolling the Iowa Caucus...

    Had to look up what RINO is LOL. Eisenhower, Reagan, Teddy Roosevelt and Lincoln would not qualify these days.

    Got to love this quote and logic:

    "But then, something happened. Fredregill was home tending to a grandson with the flu, and she saw a TV report that U.S. troops had left Iraq, suffering no casualties as they went. God, she saw, had protected them.

    So then God might be willing to give the country a second chance. And so, in an instant, Fredregill had a new, fourth presidential candidate. Not “the smart one,” but one who agreed with her on issues like Israel, abortion and gay marriage.

    Finally, a candidate that excited her, even if he probably can’t win.

    “Why am I giving up on our country” if God was not? Fredregill said, banging her fist on the table of a Starbucks Coffee inside a SuperTarget store. “It was just this big epiphany. We’ve got to vote for Santorum! That’s all there is to it.”

    Lets see:

    1) Paul calls for an exit from Iraq from day 1
    2) Obamma runs against that war and finally pulls the troops out after 3 years
    3) therefore you should vote for Santorum and war with Iran (We will at least keep our "war fighters" employed, when I was in we were just soldiers and marines)

    Note: Newt is the "Smart One"

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by alexander2 on 12/27/2011 at 2:13 PM

    Where I Stand | Rick Santorum for President

    http://www.ricksantorum.com/issues

    www.ricksantorum.com

    MARYLAND. The area they’re now calling the DMV—D.C./Maryland/Northern Virginia—might be the country’s richest talent mine.

    alexander2

  • I'm not sure it's going to be Indecision 2012. I think sooner or later the GOP gets its head out of its ass and realizes that it's only option to not get slaughtered in 2012 is Romney (and even he is no better than a coin toss, at best, to take out Obama). There's a decent chance Romney gets on a roll and has this locked up on Super Tuesday.

    terps99 ●

  • terps99 said...

    I'm not sure it's going to be Indecision 2012. I think sooner or later the GOP gets its head out of its ass and realizes that it's only option to not get slaughtered in 2012 is Romney (and even he is no better than a coin toss, at best, to take out Obama). There's a decent chance Romney gets on a roll and has this locked up on Super Tuesday.

    Romney is a lot like John Kerry and his policies are probably close to Kerry as well. The Republicans are getting slaughtered either way. Maybe Ron Paul if he is given a fair chance can stand toe to toe with Obama. He's a lot likelier to get independent voters than Mitt Romney is.

    Coltsfan1832644

  • Can stand toe to toe with Obama on what? Having his fair share of lunatic supporters who think he is god? Ron Paul might not win a single state against Obama and it would be the biggest blowout in US history.

    terps99 ●

  • Coltsfan1832 said...

    lol

    SATerp

  • terps99 said...

    Can stand toe to toe with Obama on what? Having his fair share of lunatic supporters who think he is god? Ron Paul might not win a single state against Obama and it would be the biggest blowout in US history.

    I disagree. If he got a fair shake, he has as much of a chance as Romney. The results around Paul are highly variable, he could get blown out or win. With Romney I don't see a better finish than close loss.

    Coltsfan1832644

  • Republicans nominate who they are supposed to...it will be Romney just like it was Dole, Bush Jr and McCain

    StewieTerp

  • terps99 said...

    Can stand toe to toe with Obama on what? Having his fair share of lunatic supporters who think he is god? Ron Paul might not win a single state against Obama and it would be the biggest blowout in US history.

    Why do you continue to talk out of your ass? Ron Paul regularly polls best against Obama among the repiblican hopefuls.

    http://www.infowars.com/new-poll-ron-paul-betters-other-gop-candidates-vs-obama/

    redraven1

  • Also, welcome to the Paul train coltsfan.

    redraven1

  • redraven1 said...

    Why do you continue to talk out of your ass? Ron Paul regularly polls best against Obama among the repiblican hopefuls.

    http://www.infowars.com/new-poll-ron-paul-betters-other-gop-candidates-vs-obama/

    Thank you for continuing to prove my point and continuing to embarrass yourself. Did you even bother to read that poll before doing your daily Ron Paul JCD'ing? Or did you just read the horrendous cherry-picking of that poll on the Ron Paul site du jour? How on earth does that negate my point that Obama would destroy Ron Paul? Here, allow me to embarrass you yet again. From that poll:

    ---------------------------------

    If Barack Obama were the Democratic Party's candidate and Ron Paul were the Republican Party's candidate, who would you be more likely to vote for? (IF UNSURE:) As of today, who do you lean more toward? (RANDOM ORDER)

    Registered Voters

    December 16-18, 2011
    Obama - 52%
    Paul - 45%

    September 23-25, 2011
    Obama - 51%
    Paul - 47%

    Apr. 29-May 1, 2011
    Obama - 52%
    Paul - 45%

    All Respondents

    December 16-18, 2011
    Obama - 54%
    Paul - 43%

    September 23-25, 2011
    Obama - 52%
    Paul - 46%

    Apr. 29-May 1, 2011
    Obama - 53%
    Paul - 43%

    ---------------------------------

    Good try though! I am rethinking my position that Obama would destroy Ron Paul!

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by terps99 on 12/27/2011 at 3:59 PM

    terps99 ●

  • It amazes me that people are gravitating to Paul and not Johnson. A lot of the same policies, but Johnson is more electable.

    zwterp08

  • terps99 said...

    Thank you for continuing to prove my point and continuing to embarrass yourself. Did you even bother to read that poll before doing your daily Ron Paul JCD'ing? Or did you just read the horrendous cherry-picking of that poll on the Ron Paul site du jour? How on earth does that negate my point that Obama would destroy Ron Paul? Here, allow me to embarrass you yet again. From that poll:

    ---------------------------------

    If Barack Obama were the Democratic Party's candidate and Ron Paul were the Republican Party's candidate, who would you be more likely to vote for? (IF UNSURE:) As of today, who do you lean more toward? (RANDOM ORDER)

    Registered Voters

    December 16-18, 2011 Obama - 52% Paul - 45%

    September 23-25, 2011 Obama - 51% Paul - 47%

    Apr. 29-May 1, 2011 Obama - 52% Paul - 45%

    All Respondents

    December 16-18, 2011 Obama - 54% Paul - 43%

    September 23-25, 2011 Obama - 52% Paul - 46%

    Apr. 29-May 1, 2011 Obama - 53% Paul - 43%

    ---------------------------------

    Good try though! I am rethinking my position that Obama would destroy Ron Paul!

    Those numbers are with Paul's in-exposure, if he got exposure, he would rise to the top like he did in Iowa.

    Coltsfan1832644

  • Obama/Paul would be a 40+ state washout. Obama would win states that Dems haven't been competitive in in decades. However, this continues to be a stupid digression as all rational human beings with functional brains know that Paul will never win the nomination. Can we all just agree to ignore redraven and his ilk from this point forward?

    In the latest Newt-plosion news, Gingrich has cut his 44 stop Iowa tour in half. He's going to need to CRUSH South Carolina to even make it to the big-state primaries.

    Was there a discussion of the Virginia ballot situation on the last thread? Newt and Perry didn't make it, and there is no write-in option in VA. Mittens and Paul are the only ones on the ballot.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by JemoTerp on 12/27/2011 at 4:04 PM

    NYCTerp05: i guarantee you my child won't turn out gay

    JemoTerp

  • And how does anything u say negate what I said that Ron Paul regularly polls the best against Obama among the gop hopefuls.

    redraven1

  • JemoTerp said...

    Obama/Paul would be a 40+ state washout. Obama would win states that Dems haven't been competitive in in decades. However, this continues to be a stupid digression as we all know that Paul will never win the nomination. Can we all just agree to ignore redraven and his ilk from this point forward?

    In the latest Newt-plosion news, Gingrich has cut his 44 stop Iowa tour in half. He's going to need to CRUSH South Carolina to even make it to the big-state primaries.

    Maybe got scared off by the Santorum lady in the article.

    MARYLAND. The area they’re now calling the DMV—D.C./Maryland/Northern Virginia—might be the country’s richest talent mine.

    alexander2

  • Obama would blow a goat to get a general election matchup vs. Ron Paul. He'd lose like 3 or 4% of his base (antiwar) and pick up 15+% from the Republicans who think Paul is batshit.

    "And I try to har-mo-nize with songs the lonesome sparrow sings... There are no kings inside the Gates of Eden."

    dixonownsyou

  • Coltsfan1832 said...

    Those numbers are with Paul's in-exposure, if he got exposure, he would rise to the top like he did in Iowa.

    With exposure, he'd be relegated to Herman Cain status within a month. (Although then we'd have to hear more from the Ron Paul contingent about the "smears" on Ron Paul. Have to love the delusions of the fanboys who want to both (1) bitch about how the media is always ignoring him, and then (2) bitch about how the media is smearing him any time he is remotely treated like any other candidate.)

    terps99 ●

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