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Indecision 2012 - Obama vs. Romney Thread

  • bigturtle said...

    The Obama campaign apparently didn't look backwards into history when selecting its new campaign slogan, "Forward" — a word with a long and rich association with European Marxism.

    Many Communist and radical publications and entities throughout the 19th and 20th centuries had the name "Forward!" or its foreign cognates. Wikipedia has an entire section called "Forward (generic name of socialist publications)."

    "The name Forward carries a special meaning in socialist political terminology. It has been frequently used as a name for socialist, communist and other left-wing newspapers and publications," the online encyclopedia explains.

    The slogan "Forward!" reflected the conviction of European Marxists and radicals that their movements reflected the march of history, which would move forward past capitalism and into socialism and communism.

    Unfortunately, you're just confirming the brilliance of that slogan. If the Obama campaign can convince Republican talking-heads to continue calling Obama a marxist/socialist/communist, his re-election is almost guaranteed. I think few things make moderates/independents tune out and have more of a visceral reactoin than constant refrains about how Democrats are marxists/socialists/communists.

    It's also the reason I'm convinced that Obama not releasing his birth certificate was political genius. The only thing it did was make much of the middle turn away from extreme right-wingers frothing at the mouth about how that damn Mooslem Obama was illegally trying to take over our country.

    terps99 ●

  • If SCOTUS tells the administration that they were on the wrong side of the Constitution on two huge issues this summer, charges of radicalism could stick with moderates quite easily.

    Pleased to meet you; hope you guess my name.

    Peabody22

  • terps99 said...

    Unfortunately, you're just confirming the brilliance of that slogan. If the Obama campaign can convince Republican talking-heads to continue calling Obama a marxist/socialist/communist, his re-election is almost guaranteed. I think few things make moderates/independents tune out and have more of a visceral reactoin than constant refrains about how Democrats are marxists/socialists/communists.

    It's also the reason I'm convinced that Obama not releasing his birth certificate was political genius. The only thing it did was make much of the middle turn away from extreme right-wingers frothing at the mouth about how that damn Mooslem Obama was illegally trying to take over our country.

    It is only briliant if the Pubs limit their discussion to labeling Obama for what he is.
    This question was never answered in 2008 Who is Barak Obama?
    The most liberal Senator in the Senate who was groomed by the most radical of the radicals.
    I agree most voters are bored with foundational issues like Where did BHO formulate his approach to the US and its politics. If however you lay this foundation and show that the failed policy of the first 4 years dictate disaster as you look forward to the next 4 years then we have a winner.

    For such a time as this.

    bigturtle

  • Peabody22 said...

    If SCOTUS tells the administration that they were on the wrong side of the Constitution on two huge issues this summer, charges of radicalism could stick with moderates quite easily.

    It's too bad the republicans gave up the high ground on healthcare mandates when they nominated the guy who came up with the idea.

    sohlman6

  • Peabody22 said...

    If SCOTUS tells the administration that they were on the wrong side of the Constitution on two huge issues this summer, charges of radicalism could stick with moderates quite easily.

    Eh. When multiple federal judges agree with you, it's tough to label a losing legal position as having been extremely radical.

    (Then again, I also didn't find compelling the arguments by the left that Citizens United was radical or the arguments by the right that Kelo v. City of New London was radical...so maybe I'm not the best barometer on this issue.)

    terps99 ●

  • Peabody22 said...

    If SCOTUS tells the administration that they were on the wrong side of the Constitution on two huge issues this summer, charges of radicalism could stick with moderates quite easily.

    That's what I love about that Washington Post op-ed charging that everything is Republicans fault because the Republican party has adopted views that are so RADICAL and EXTREME! The views are so extreme and out of the mainstream that they were voted into the majority of the House of Representatives, governorships and state legislatures across the country, possibly the majority of the Senate in November, and some of the views may even get endorsed by the Supreme Court this summer.

    I'm not arguing that electoral victories make Republicans right on the issues, but it's hard to argue their views are out of the mainstream when the mainstream keeps electing them.

    neal990

  • bigturtle said...

    It is only briliant if the Pubs limit their discussion to labeling Obama for what he is.
    This question was never answered in 2008 Who is Barak Obama?
    The most liberal Senator in the Senate who was groomed by the most radical of the radicals.
    I agree most voters are bored with foundational issues like Where did BHO formulate his approach to the US and its politics. If however you lay this foundation and show that the failed policy of the first 4 years dictate disaster as you look forward to the next 4 years then we have a winner.

    You've lost the plot my man, if you honestly believe Obama has governed anything but to the right of center.

    sohlman6

  • bigturtle said...

    It is only briliant if the Pubs limit their discussion to labeling Obama for what he is. This question was never answered in 2008 Who is Barak Obama? The most liberal Senator in the Senate who was groomed by the most radical of the radicals. I agree most voters are bored with foundational issues like Where did BHO formulate his approach to the US and its politics. If however you lay this foundation and show that the failed policy of the first 4 years dictate disaster as you look forward to the next 4 years then we have a winner.

    That rhetoric would be a lot more compelling if the prior Democratic candidate (Kerry) wasn't also called the "most liberal Senator in the Senate." And if the prior Democratic President (Clinton) wasn't also pilloried on similar grounds as some huge liberal who was a threat to America. And if the Democratic President before that (Carter) wasn't similarly called the biggest liberal in history.

    terps99 ●

  • neal990 said...

    That's what I love about that Washington Post op-ed charging that everything is Republicans fault because the Republican party has adopted views that are so RADICAL and EXTREME! The views are so extreme and out of the mainstream that they were voted into the majority of the House of Representatives, governorships and state legislatures across the country, possibly the majority of the Senate in November, and some of the views may even get endorsed by the Supreme Court this summer.

    I'm not arguing that electoral victories make Republicans right on the issues, but it's hard to argue their views are out of the mainstream when the mainstream keeps electing them.

    The Post op-ed was spot on.

    ErnieMcCracken ●

  • neal990 said...

    That's what I love about that Washington Post op-ed charging that everything is Republicans fault because the Republican party has adopted views that are so RADICAL and EXTREME! The views are so extreme and out of the mainstream that they were voted into the majority of the House of Representatives, governorships and state legislatures across the country, possibly the majority of the Senate in November, and some of the views may even get endorsed by the Supreme Court this summer.

    I'm not arguing that electoral victories make Republicans right on the issues, but it's hard to argue their views are out of the mainstream when the mainstream keeps electing them.

    I'm sure that if good, decent Americans hadn't been brainwashed by Karl Rove, the Koch Brothers and Halliburton, we'd have Democratic super-majorities nationwide.

    This post was edited by dexterstjacques on 4/30/2012 at 9:15 PM

    Well, I mean, that’s what it is. I doodoo and then listen to Katy Perry.

    dexterstjacques

  • ErnieMcCracken said...

    The Post op-ed was spot on.

    This Post writer would disagree.

    Ornstein and Mann’s op-ed blaming Republicans: It was a parody, right? - Right Turn - The Washington Post

    Ornstein and Mann trade in punditry for hackery.

    www.washingtonpost.com

    Bradleyfan

  • Bradleyfan said...

    This conservative Post columnist would disagree.

    fixed

    Just sayin.'

    PaulUMD ●

  • neal990 said...

    That's what I love about that Washington Post op-ed charging that everything is Republicans fault because the Republican party has adopted views that are so RADICAL and EXTREME! The views are so extreme and out of the mainstream that they were voted into the majority of the House of Representatives, governorships and state legislatures across the country, possibly the majority of the Senate in November, and some of the views may even get endorsed by the Supreme Court this summer.

    I'm not arguing that electoral victories make Republicans right on the issues, but it's hard to argue their views are out of the mainstream when the mainstream keeps electing them.

    I think the germane part of the column was on Republican refusal to compromise on issues where common ground has been found in the past, due to ideological purity tests such as Norquist's pledge to never raise taxes on anything, ever, for all of time.

    PaulUMD ●

  • terps99 said...

    Eh. When multiple federal judges agree with you, it's tough to label a losing legal position as having been extremely radical.

    (Then again, I also didn't find compelling the arguments by the left that Citizens United was radical or the arguments by the right that Kelo v. City of New London was radical...so maybe I'm not the best barometer on this issue.)

    How about the Hosanna-Tabor case then? Obama lost that one 9-0.

    MisterNiceGuy

  • Pretty sweet campaign ad here starring Bill Clinton.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYykD6_OHO0

    ErnieMcCracken ●

  • PaulUMD said...

    I think the germane part of the column was on Republican refusal to compromise on issues where common ground has been found in the past, due to ideological purity tests such as Norquist's pledge to never raise taxes on anything, ever, for all of time.

    A huge debt crisis that will bring this country down yet not raising taxes is more important. Whose side are they on?

    ErnieMcCracken ●

  • PaulUMD said...

    fixed

    Just sayin.'

    That's fair. But why not also fix the post I responded to as a Liberal Post op-ed? Just sayin. Of course, I guess that goes without saying.

    This post was edited by Bradleyfan on 4/30/2012 at 10:14 PM

    Bradleyfan

  • Bradleyfan said...

    That's fair. But why not also fix the post I responded to as a Liberal Post op-ed? Just sayin. Of course, I guess that goes without saying.

    You sayin what I'm sayin?

    PaulUMD ●

  • PaulUMD said...

    You sayin what I'm sayin?

    Hahahaha.... well played.

    Bradleyfan

  • If Obama loses the health care case before SCOTUS, it would be an all-time great troll to give a barely-modified version of Lincoln's Dred Scott speech.

    "We believe, as much as Judge Roberts, (perhaps more) in obedience to, and respect for the judicial department of government. We think its decisions on Constitutional questions, when fully settled, should control, not only the particular cases decided, but the general policy of the country, subject to be disturbed only by amendments of the Constitution as provided in that instrument itself. More than this would be revolution. But we think the health care decision is erroneous. We know the court that made it, has often over-ruled its own decisions, and we shall do what we can to have it to over-rule this. We offer no resistance to it..."

    Abraham Lincoln's Speech on the Dred Scott Decision (1857)

    http://www.virginia.edu/woodson/courses/aas-hius366a/lincoln.html

    www.virginia.edu

    "And I try to har-mo-nize with songs the lonesome sparrow sings... There are no kings inside the Gates of Eden."

    dixonownsyou

  • Romney's openly gay foreign policy advisor quits due to uproar from social conservatives.

    Believe in America.

    EXCLUSIVE: Richard Grenell hounded from Romney campaign by anti-gay conservatives - Right Turn - The Washington Post

    Richard Grenell leaves campaign amid anti-gay campaign.

    www.washingtonpost.com

    PaulUMD ●

  • That'll show those close-minded religious fanatics from the middle east who's boss!

    neal990

  • And now we pull out the "surprise visit to Afghanistan" card. Like to see this speech not sound like a campaign stop.

    sugarmag ●

  • PaulUMD said...

    Romney's openly gay foreign policy advisor quits due to uproar from social conservatives.

    Believe in America.

    A lot of the blogs I read are asking where the uproar was coming from, because no one can seem to find it.

    Edit to add: it's a little disappointing Romney just accepted his resignation with (seemingly) no argument. Could have been a big moment for him to make a statement. You can be against gay marriage, but can you really be against someone having a job?

    This post was edited by frode on 5/1/2012 at 5:14 PM

    frode

  • MisterNiceGuy said...

    How about the Hosanna-Tabor case then? Obama lost that one 9-0.

    I'd love to hear your analysis of hosanna-tabor. Truly.

    rewsde

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