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Kaisersayzo said...
I'm not going to get into a pissing match with you tag because I like you too much. I'm also not going to say Obama has an easy road but Mitt Romney is John Kerry on steroids and has done a remarkable job alienating key voting blocks. When he's losing the women's vote by some 15% and the hispanic vote by 30% it doesn't matter what you think of Obama...that is a recipe for a good old fashioned ass kicking. It's not surprising to me that Obama has pissed off the core republican voting block but do you think he cares?
We could fight all day over policies but in the end that matter very little in what has become a popularity contest and I'd say Romney loses that in a landslide.
Well, I mean, that’s what it is. I doodoo and then listen to Katy Perry.
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Kaisersayzo said...
Obama is up some 15% with women who make up over 50% of the total vote, he's up 30+% with hispanics which is about 13% of the vote and has 90+% of the black vote. So Obama is losing by 13% to Romney with what amounts to 10% of the vote. I like Obama's chances.
Well, I mean, that’s what it is. I doodoo and then listen to Katy Perry.
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dexterstjacques said...
Uh, that's not how it works. First of all, independents were 29% of the vote in 2008, not 10%. A 13 point lead with independents would be about a 4 point swing nationally.
Second, you can't compare Independents to Hispanics and women. They overlap, so any margins with these groups are built in to the D/R/I numbers.
Best case scenario for Democrats, I+R is 60% of the vote (about what it was in 2008). Considering Romney also does better with Democrats than Obama does with Republicans (although not significantly), this is pretty clearly not a landslide for Obama (assuming the election was today, not 6 months from now).
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PaulUMD said...
Fox poll is quite the outlier in this last week's worth of polls. And PPP publishes their crosstabs as well (and had Obama up 6, I believe), a standard all pollster should follow if they wish to be taken seriously.
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dexterstjacques said...
Yeah, PPP has good crosstabs. I didn't include them since their last poll was about 2 weeks ago (although not too much changed in the past two weeks).
PPP had Obama up 9 with Independents actually.
The Fox poll had Romney and Obama tied and PPP had Obama up 3, so a 22 point swing in Independents between the two polls translated into just a 3 point swing overall. D and R numbers were relatively close between the two. That just shows how fucked all of these models are at this point.
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sugarmag said...
LA Times sayin Portman "a done deal."
Mitt Romney can go exciting and splashy with his vice presidential pick, or boring and safe. Apparently, the “smart money” is on the latter, and Sen. Rob Portman fits that bill perfectly.
Doyle McManus, an opinion writer for the Los Angeles Times, writes this morning that the choice of Portman, R-Ohio, is essentially a done deal, even as the political class in Washington continues to chatter about other, more sparkling alternatives.
“I hate to spoil the fun, but every Republican strategist I surveyed this week had the same answer: Romney’s almost certain to opt for the most boring, conventional choice possible, Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio,” McManus writes.
The reason? Call it the Palin lesson.
“Four years ago, a Republican nominee chose an exciting, fresh face for his running mate, and she promptly landed the campaign on Saturday Night Live,” McManus notes. “This year, the no-drama Romney campaign, so buttoned up that it makes Team Obama look like an improv troupe, wants to avoid a rerun of the Sarah Palin Experience.”
This post was edited by tagterp on 4/28/2012 at 1:23 PM
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