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neal990 said...
I think the Democrats COULD have an issue that they can really slam the republicans on with the Buffett rule/millionaire's tax but the more I think about it, the more I think they could really have the tables turned on them if they keep touting it on behalf of fairness rather than use an economics/debt argument.
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neal990 said...
Yeah I don't think the economics/debt argument is actually a good argument, but I think it will resonate with people more than just fairness. I.e. we actually want to do this as a step to reduce the debt, rather than we want to do this to be "fair."
This post was edited by frode on 4/11/2012 at 8:11 AM
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frode said...
Yeah, this is where Romney can school Obama in a debate...talk about the real issues of the economy (value of dollar, debt/inflation, etc.) and show that he knows the technical stuff a lot better than Obama does. Obama's speeches on the economy have been some of the most inarticulate, undetailed crap I've ever heard come out of his mouth.
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cjterps98 said...
Any talk of debt reduction that doesn't include some increase in revenue simply isn't credible. As for Obama's undetailed crap, what about Ryan's budget proposal? What loop holes does he want to close? Is it mortgage reduction? Is it educational loan defferment? What? Good luck if he wants to eliminate mortgage interest dedcution along with tax cuts for the wealthy. That pil won't go down well. Another thing, if Mitten's wants to be seen as trustworthy he needs to release his financials now..not later.
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cjterps98 said...
the Ryan budget doesn't take a penny away from the military nor does it reduce the funding levels to the Clinton years before the two wars. I'm all for stopping the bombing of brown peoples but the Ryan budget treats the military like a sacred cow. Personally, I'd rather flush money on people's well being than bombs... but that's just me.
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frode said...
Yeah, this is where Romney can school Obama in a debate...talk about the real issues of the economy (value of dollar, debt/inflation, etc.) and show that he knows the technical stuff a lot better than Obama does. Obama's speeches on the economy have been some of the most inarticulate, undetailed crap I've ever heard come out of his mouth.
This post was edited by Kaisersayzo on 4/11/2012 at 9:12 AM
9/21/2010...RIP Old IMS.
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frode said...
That's simply not true. Expenditures are far outpacing any fluctuations in revenue; anyone can see that. The problem is further exacerbated because unemployment is both decreasing the number of taxpayers and increasing the number of people receiving government benefits.
You can increase revenue by significantly increasing the number of employed people, and broadening the tax base...even before you talk about a change in tax rates.
9/21/2010...RIP Old IMS.
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PaulUMD said...
True, but likely voter models this far out are kinda ridiculous. Saying their sample is likely voters is not as simple as calling people and only taking info from people who say they're likely voters. It's using modeling to predict sample turnouts and lining up the data to match those models. And the most recent turnout data is from the GOP pawnage of 2010, so it's not surprising to see current likely voter polls showing a tilt toward Romney. It's probably why Rasmussen always leans GOP because they only use their likely voter models in their polling.
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Kaisersayzo said...
It simply IS true. You're describing trickle down economics in which has been tried the last three republican presidents and all three times has failed miserably. Of course you will retort with "but the idea is sound but they didn't cut enough spending"...but that's not going to happen and you know it.
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Kaisersayzo said...
Romney was 47th in the country in creating jobs when Governor and when he "saved" the olympics he got the federal government to hand him 1.3 billion dollars to do so. I'm not so sure Romney is going to be able to school anyone on anything unless it involves being a Wall street type that buys companies and fire-sales them when making outrageous amounts of money for a select few. This idea that Romney is some great economic savior is the easiest target I've seen in a while.
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