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Indecision 2012 - Obama vs. Romney Thread

  • PaulUMD said...

    I do have to say, I love when the Rude Pundit gets really pissed about something...

    4/13/2012 Oh, Fuck Ann Romney:
    In fact, in the history of post-industrialized America, the June Cleaver/Carol Brady stay-at-home mom is one of those sucker dreams that most families could never achieve. Women worked. Just not the women you ever saw in pop culture. Most working class couples had two incomes because that's how the fuck you survived. Shit, the Rude Pundit knows at least two stay-at-home moms whose husbands lost their great jobs and then got shitty new jobs, so the stay-at-home status had to end as they got shitty jobs to make ends meet and have something like health insurance. His own mother worked full-time, but she was at every event and cooked every night. This whole bullshit "debate" debases her efforts to make our lives easier by working a job. She was, in this way, a great deal like Hilary Rosen, a working parent herself.

    But, you know, sure, raising kids is work, a lot of work, constant work. That's something we can't deny. Still, it's work that parents chose to do by having children, so, you know, don't fucking complain. And when someone says it's not a job, suck it up. It's not a fucking job. It's a privilege, one that millions of parents would love to be able to have but can't because they don't have the means of Ann Romney.

    Way to miss the f'ing point "rude pundit". First....as a side note...its not only rich people or a "bourgeois indulgence that's only available to the financially privileged." I know lots of people that are squarely middle class...even lower middle class...that decide as a family to have one parent home for ths kids for an extended period. Im not saying its the "right choice"...or the "only choice"......but lets not pretend its a choice only available and made by "rich people" [I have very close friends...both teachers. One now stay home full time...and has for about 5 years with their kids. They live in a townhouse...not a single family. They drive pretty old Hondas....and live very modestly. Why? Their choice. The Mom is super bright...UVa honors grad. Conversly, many middle class and upper middle class people have both parents working not because they "have to"...but because they want to.....or they want to go on nicer vacations....have a bigger house...whatever. there is nothing wrong with that either.

    The bigger issue, however, is this notion that a woman (with a Harvard degree mind) you is less able to comment on ecomonic policy than a woman that works full time outside the home. thats whats so INSULTING to stay at home moms. Thats what underlyed the comment. She cant possible know ECOM policy...she is a stay at home Mom who has never worked. Thats a common attitude from people on the left. (As if really, the high school dropout waitress with five kids actually has better insight to econ. policy than the college educated stay at home mom. ) Everyone has their opinions....some better informed than others.

    It was a stupid comment. This guy doesnt get it any more than Rosen.
    This line of attack was supposed to be about wealth...and Rosen let her true colors slip. The argument was supposed to be Wealthy people cant understand economic issues that confront the working class. Instead, it came accross as the ole (but real) battle of some folks looking down their nose at the decision to stay at home.

    This post was edited by rthhokie92 on 4/13/2012 at 11:40 AM

    rthhokie92

  • Bradleyfan said...

    Maybe, but if O had used the bully pulpit I believe the Pubs in the house would have caved or agreed to something very similar to BS. The media would have lined up behind O and have killed them on this issue. Remember that Ryan's first plan doesn't even come out until after O punted on BS. A huge opportunity lost for O, IMO. I would loved to know what private advice Bill Dailey was giving O on this issue.

    And if O couldn't have pushed this through congress, think about the arguments he could be making now. Still a plus for him.

    I agree. He had a golden opportunity to look like the adult in the room and back, what most observers called, a serious and reasonable plan to address a huge problem facing our country. Instead, he made the political calculation that cutting benefits and raising taxes was a political loser and did nothing.

    Maybe he's right, but backing BS would've shown some real political courage. He could've taken on his own party by advocating raising the retirement age and means testing Medicare and SS. Things most experts say are no brainer fixes for those programs. More importantly for him, he could've called the Republicans' bluff on spending cuts. Awfully easy to call for deep spending cuts when they're out of power. What happens when they are confronted with the prospect of voting against a serious plan that addresses our long term financial woes?

    Major Major

  • S, AP

    This post was edited by frode on 4/13/2012 at 1:50 PM

    William Galston: Seven Ways 2012 Won’t Be Anything Like 2008 For Team Obama | The New Republic

    http://www.tnr.com/article/the-vital-center/102614/barack-obama-reelection-2012-campaign-2008-president

    www.tnr.com

    frode

  • terps99 said...

    Actually, as someone who interviews more than a dozen kids from Harvard Law every year, I know what magna cum laude at Harvard Law means. Based on your posts, you, however, seem to not only be somewhat naive about law school grading or course selection in general, but also about how Latin honors work. Yes, I know he did exceedingly well in law school because he graduated magna cum laude. Maybe google can help you figure out what that means?

    (I don't think grades are necessarily a proxy for intelligence, but to the extent people try making a connection between the two, it's pretty fucking stupid to try picking on someone who did that well at a school like Harvard.)

    Can you get us Obama's grades from Harvard Law?

    tagterp

  • Didn't see this posted.

    Obama paid a 20.5% effective tax rate on $789,000 in earnings for 2011.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obamas-paid-20-5-tax-143948278.html

    This post was edited by Hey JMU6375 on 4/13/2012 at 2:21 PM

    Hey JMU6375

  • Hey! JMU! said...

    Didn't see this posted.

    Obama paid a 20.5% effective tax rate on $789,000 in earnings for 2011.

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/obamas-paid-20-5-tax-143948278.html

    Back of the envelope analysis says his former secretary paid about 24%.

    My extra analysis says she paid about 21.5%, since you get $2,000 back if you're in school.

    This post was edited by dexterstjacques on 4/13/2012 at 2:39 PM

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    dexterstjacques

  • rthhokie92 said...

    The bigger issue, however, is this notion that a woman (with a Harvard degree mind) you is less able to comment on ecomonic policy than a woman that works full time outside the home. thats whats so INSULTING to stay at home moms. Thats what underlyed the comment. She cant possible know ECOM policy...she is a stay at home Mom who has never worked. Thats a common attitude from people on the left. (As if really, the high school dropout waitress with five kids actually has better insight to econ. policy than the college educated stay at home mom. ) Everyone has their opinions....some better informed than others.

    this is correct, although the attitude is not left's alone. it's like telling someone that they aren't allowed to have an opinion on defense policy if they haven't served in the military. bbpgtr-caliber thinking. or joe-morgan-caliber thinking, because if you never played the game then you obviously can't analyze it, right?

    this does expose the dark side of feminism, though, in that it is extremely hostile to those women who choose to stay at home.

    This post has been edited 4 times, most recently by phatphelix on 4/13/2012 at 4:41 PM

    Phatboy if you had any balls I'd meet you at the AFA Boxing gym and have Coach Weichers put some gloves on us.

    phatphelix

  • sohlman6 said...

    I love when republicans act like there is some big bad "Chicago" political machine.

    Because the big bad "Chicago" political machine getting three "made men" Chicago Outfit Mafioso elected to the city council never happened.

    Oh wait. :doh:

    John D'Arco
    Fred Roti
    Pat Marcy

    Yes, of course you're 100% correct, it's ALL an 'act',

    bbpgtr

  • bbpgtr said...

    Because the big bad "Chicago" political machine getting three "made men" Chicago Outfit Mafioso elected to the city council never happened.

    Oh wait. :doh:

    John D'Arco Fred Roti Pat Marcy

    Yes, of course you're 100% correct, it's ALL an 'act',

    You forgot Obama*

    sohlman6

  • Speaking of Chicago political machine, this one is an absolute Gem: CHICAGO (CBS) – State Rep. Derrick Smith (D-Chicago), who was arrested on a federal bribery charge last week, easily defeated challenger Tom Swiss on Tuesday in the Democratic race for the 10th District seat in the Illinois House.

    Your boy took a bribe, got caught, was arrested, and STILL won the election with 77% of the vote! All backed by this "imaginary" Chicago political machine.

    Oh, wait:

    "For his part, Swiss said it was difficult to beat Smith with record low turnout for an Illinois primary in a presidential election year, especially when Smith was backed by the Democratic machine."

    “But it is Chicago. It is Chicago, so there shouldn’t be anything that really surprises you. I told these guys all along that Chicago is known for a lot of political heartbreak,” Swiss added.

    Despite Bribery Arrest, Rep. Smith Wins Primary Vs. Swiss

    State Rep. Derrick Smith (D-Chicago), who was arrested on a federal bribery charge last week, easily defeated challenger Tom Swiss on Tuesday in the Democratic race for the 10th District seat in the Illinois House. Chicago News, Sports, Weather, Traffic, and the Best of Chicago - CBS 2 TV | WBBM Newsradio 780 | 670 The Score

    chicago.cbslocal.com

    terpinnyc

  • http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/elections/

    Whatever its worth....newest Ramassuen poll similiar to Fox's poll numbers. Guess we'll see about the others

    rthhokie92

  • rthhokie92 said...

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/elections/

    Whatever its worth....newest Ramassuen poll similiar to Fox's poll numbers.

    Shocker. lol

    There will be plenty of new national polls to choose from by next week, I bet.

    PaulUMD

  • PaulUMD said...

    Shocker. lol

    There will be plenty of new national polls to choose from by next week, I bet.

    It's like clockwork.

    sohlman6

  • sohlman6 said...

    It's like clockwork.

    Paul posting, followed within seconds by Sohlman, reminds me of these guys. Paul, I love ya dude, but you've gotta tell Mini-Me to hold off a little.

    attachment

    SATerp

  • tagterp said...

    Can you get us Obama's grades from Harvard Law?

    No, he can't but he CAN fling insults like monkey poo!

    SATerp

  • Wait, are some people arguing that you can graduate magna cum laude without good grades? What if you found out that he graduated in the top 10% of his class? Would you still need to see his actual grades before believing that they were good? I mean, I'm no fan of Obama whatsoever but this is just ridiculous.

    MisterNiceGuy

  • MisterNiceGuy said...

    Wait, are some people arguing that you can graduate magna cum laude without good grades? What if you found out that he graduated in the top 10% of his class? Would you still need to see his actual grades before believing that they were good? I mean, I'm no fan of Obama whatsoever but this is just ridiculous.

    Nobody is arguing that. But we ARE asking for his classes and grades. Sauce for the goose, and all that.

    SATerp

  • LOL. Please explain to me what you think Obama's law school grades will show you that his actual standing in his law school class and latin honors don't show you?

    I'm not even exaggerating when I say 99% of people I know who look at law school grades (and I look at countless ones per year and have done my share of legal recruiting) look more at relative class rank than actual grades in a particular class. Hell, every third person on this board seems to be a lawyer. Ask them if they'd rather have a high GPA/high grade in a particular class...or finish in the top 10% of their class. Specific law school grades mean nothing in a law school setting which generally has blind grading and curves. I don't even look at the actual transcript of anyone we're hiring. All I need to know is GPA or class rank. And Obama finished top 10% at Harvard Law.

    terps99

  • MisterNiceGuy said...

    Wait, are some people arguing that you can graduate magna cum laude without good grades? What if you found out that he graduated in the top 10% of his class? Would you still need to see his actual grades before believing that they were good? I mean, I'm no fan of Obama whatsoever but this is just ridiculous.

    Obviously, for these guys, the answer is yes...which is somewhat humorous.

    terps99

  • sohlman6 said...

    You forgot Obama*......

    .... and the 31 City Aldermen sentenced to jail time for corruption since mid 70's, and all the dead people who voted, and all the union/mafia corruption and graft, and .....

    Cook County has been a "dark pool of political corruption" for more than a century, a new study by the University of Illinois at Chicago says.
    http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/illinois-corruption-84736672.html#ixzz1rxLkkukk

    Nearly 150 employees, politicians and contractors in the nation's second-largest county have been convicted on corruption charges since 1957, according to a report released Thursday by the university and the Better Government Association (.pdf)

    The 33-page study gives a history of corruption, starting from 1869 when county commissioners were jailed for rigging a bid to paint City Hall. It also details hiring scandals, including some under Cook County Board President Todd Stroger. Stroger hasn't been charged with any crime.

    With the three made men City Aldermen, John D'Arco, Fred Roti, and Pat Marcy, those are only the three we actually know about, who knows who else may have gotten in there.

    As for Obama, he only started his political career in the home of two admitted domestic terrorists who have said "they didn't do enough" so I guess he pales in comparison.

    But yea, no such thing as the big bad "Chicago" political machine. Seriously, are you about 20 years old? LOL.

    This post was edited by bbpgtr on 4/13/2012 at 4:21 PM

    Cook County a "Dark Pool of Political Corruption"

    150 convicted officials in 140 years. Kudos?

    www.nbcchicago.com

    bbpgtr

  • LOL at the stupidity of that guilt by association. That's one step away from "Republicans are racists who don't care about black people [insert numerous examples of racists who were Republicans over the past decade]."

    terps99

  • I know it's somewhat of a throwaway line to say that if rich guys like Buffett want to pay more to the government, they should just write a check. But really, let's think about this. If you accept the argument on Obama's terms, that it is really not "fair" for you to pay less than 30% of your income to the government, then why aren't you writing a check? If this is really a matter of right and wrong (and, as Obama concedes, this wouldn't make a meaningful impact on the deficit anyway), then shouldn't you be giving that amount to the government regardless of whether you are compelled by law to do it, and regardless of whether others similarly situated are doing it along with you? I mean, think about if there were a bunch of bigwig Democrat businessmen lobbying for an increase in the minimum wage because the current level is not "fair." If it was then discovered that those businessmen were actually paying the current minimum wage to many of their employees, would we just say, oh, it doesn't matter, they're just paying what is legally required of them? Wouldn't they be blasted for rank hypocrisy, and justifiably so? How is this any different?

    MisterNiceGuy

  • MisterNiceGuy said...

    Wait, are some people arguing that you can graduate magna cum laude without good grades? What if you found out that he graduated in the top 10% of his class? Would you still need to see his actual grades before believing that they were good? I mean, I'm no fan of Obama whatsoever but this is just ridiculous.

    COMMIS AT HARVARD PAST OBUMMER THREW LAW SCHOOL AT TEH BEEHEST OF HIS MOOZLIM PUPPET MASTERS AT TEH MADRASA IN INDONESIA!1!11!!@

    Major Major

  • terps99 said...

    LOL. Please explain to me what you think Obama's law school grades will show you that his actual standing in his law school class and latin honors don't show you?

    I'm not even exaggerating when I say 99% of people I know who look at law school grades (and I look at countless ones per year and have done my share of legal recruiting) look more at relative class rank than actual grades in a particular class. Hell, every third person on this board seems to be a lawyer. Ask them if they'd rather have a high GPA/high grade in a particular class...or finish in the top 10% of their class. Specific law school grades mean nothing in a law school setting which generally has blind grading and curves. I don't even look at the actual transcript of anyone we're hiring. All I need to know is GPA or class rank. And Obama finished top 10% at Harvard Law.

    Why are you so defensive about seeing his classes taken, and grades received? What on earth could be the harm if the American people saw the courses he took through ALL of his college career, and the grades he received?

    Why, I imagine that it would resolve forever that he is the brainiest lefty to ever hold the presidency.

    SATerp

  • Major Major said...

    COMMIS AT HARVARD PAST OBUMMER THREW LAW SCHOOL AT TEH BEEHEST OF HIS MOOZLIM PUPPET MASTERS AT TEH MADRASA IN INDONESIA!1!11!!@

    That may be your most intelligent post ever.

    SATerp