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I'm not a mortgage expert...

  • but my friends typically think I am because I work for a company that offers equity-based loans. So, they often come to me for advice that I'm ill-equipped to provide. However, this one sounded pretty interesting and I decided to let you people offer some advice. I can usually weed out the morons and find the solid advice in these threads.

    Background: New wife begged and begged for a new house. Husband said no, no, no... worst time to buy. Wife begged and begged. Husband relented. Bought house at top of bubble. Mortgaged it something like 90/10. New wife's credit was the shit, so husband put mortgage in his name, but deeded in both their names. Ah... love. A few years and a couple kids later, wife decides marriage is not her bag. Husband is told that he must find a new place to live because wife is entitled to live in house with the kids.. on his dime. Husband gets his own place to live and continues to pay $2200 month mortgage, plus his $1500 month rent.

    Fast forward to divorce proceedings: Husband is court-ordered to continue paying $2200 month mortgage in lieu of (some of) alimony and wife can remain in home.

    Fast forward to six months later: Ex-Wife decides she no longer wants to live in home and moves. According to her interpretation of the divorce terms, she can simply move out of house... still mortgaged in his name.. and start demanding full alimony because she no longer lives in the home. Of course, mortgage + child support + full alimony + his rent + etc is more than he nets in a month, so he's having to seek legal assistance for clarification on what wife believes she's entitled to.

    In the meantime, he has an empty house.. mortgaged in his name.. and his own place which is leased through next year. And this is the best part... the house is $50k under water! He has zero desire to move into the house himself, which would also cost him a pretty penny for breaking his lease.

    So... he's trying to decide:

    a) continue to pay the mortgage until/unless the court forces him to pay full alimony and then he will have to stop paying.

    b) stop paying and let the mortgage companies foreclose.

    c) attempt to do a short-sale, although someone is telling him he makes too much money for that, regardless of what his bills/expenses are. (true?)

    d) try to get the mortgage modified to an amount that he can reasonably rent the house (no chance anyone pays anything close to $2k a month for it), although the same someone is telling him he'll never get a modification because of how much money he makes, regardless of what his bills/expenses are. (true?)

    so... what do you think he should do? murder is not an option, although i'm sure he's considered it.

    PamelaD

  • e) fire his shitty lawyer and find a competent one

    ravenlunatic

  • ravenlunatic said...

    e) fire his shitty lawyer and find a competent one

    not sure yet the wife is right. i don't think she is, but nevertheless.. she has already moved and the house is sitting there empty. so, even if he doesn't have to pay the bitch the difference, what's the incentive to keep paying the mortgage. :-(

    PamelaD

  • f) "the shit" implies something is good.
    g) Women are evil.

    strOterp

  • This isn't a mortgage question and I suggest you tread carefully in supplying any legal advice.
    1. In a divorce, the bank dosen't care what the divorce decree states - whomever is on the note is required to pay the loan.
    2. Contact Loss Mitigation - explain the issue and see if there are any workout terms.
    3. Money he makes isn't the issue, it's his DTI and liquid assets. If he can prove that his DTI is above the 45% range, they can modify the terms to reduce the payments. Ex: Lower rate to 2% and increase the term out to 35 - 40 years. It's a full time job getting this done but I've helped people acomplish it.
    4. Contact an attorney - the terms he agreed to make zero sense. I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't being 100% honest about her ability to move out, requiring him to pay her the $2200 delta. He had to assume the worst could happen since the depressed housing market isn't some big secret. If she wanted to live there, she should have refinanced in her own name (or her parents / whomever) or the sell the house at a loss reducing the total amount of $ he was able to pay her.

    DrRosensquared155299

  • I know a nigga that just got out of the fed, give him 5K and me a 20% finders fee, and the bitch will never be heard from again.

    Mr Tiffles7673

  • Dr.Rosensquared said...

    This isn't a mortgage question and I suggest you tread carefully in supplying any legal advice. 1. In a divorce, the bank dosen't care what the divorce decree states - whomever is on the note is required to pay the loan. 2. Contact Loss Mitigation - explain the issue and see if there are any workout terms. 3. Money he makes isn't the issue, it's his DTI and liquid assets. If he can prove that his DTI is above the 45% range, they can modify the terms to reduce the payments. Ex: Lower rate to 2% and increase the term out to 35 - 40 years. It's a full time job getting this done but I've helped people acomplish it. 4. Contact an attorney - the terms he agreed to make zero sense. I wouldn't be surprised if he isn't being 100% honest about her ability to move out, requiring him to pay her the $2200 delta. He had to assume the worst could happen since the depressed housing market isn't some big secret. If she wanted to live there, she should have refinanced in her own name (or her parents / whomever) or the sell the house at a loss reducing the total amount of $ he was able to pay her.

    i'm not giving him any advice. i haven't got a clue as to what he should do. I already told him #1 and he's well aware of that fact. he's also already done #4, but they don't seem too interested in assisting with what he should do with the house. they said to work it out with mortgage company.

    btw.. i will likely just send him a link to this thread. LOL

    PamelaD

  • Mr. Tiffles said...

    I know a nigga that just got out of the fed, give him 5K and me a 20% finders fee, and the bitch will never be heard from again.

    Sadly, this is the correct advice to eliminating many of the problems listed here. If it occurred in a house fire - the house in question - it would eliminate pretty much all of them.

    SATerp

  • i have so many guy friends getting screwed in divorces right now. it simply amazes me what some people think they "deserve" to these days. i mean, just because a lawyer/court says you're entitled to ask for something, does that mean that you should? i just don't subscribe to the theory that if i make $50k and hubby makes $100k, he should give me $25k so we can live equally.

    pre-nupts are no longer for the rich or those with assets to protect. we live in a country with a divorce rate so high that there are now more divorced adults in this country than there are married adults. my advice to all the young males on this board considering marriage.... cut back on the flowers and spend $1200 on a good pre-nupt. negotiate the terms of your divorce now, while you're both still madly in love and don't believe you'll ever part ways. it's a LOT less expensive than the $10k a divorce will likely cost you later, most which will go to attorneys, when you both hate each other's cheating guts.

    PamelaD

  • it all comes down to whether or not she is on the deed of trust

    if his wife is only on the deed, she can walk away a winner because she pwned him...the lender is strictly going to go after who is the the note and deed of trust

    he'll probably have to try a short sale or just let them foreclose

    This post was edited by JoeBlack84 on 4/11/2012 at 6:16 AM

    Good. Things. Do. Not. Happen. For. D.C./MD. Sports.

    JoeBlack84

  • PamelaD said...

    i have so many guy friends getting screwed in divorces right now. it simply amazes me what some people think they "deserve" to these days. i mean, just because a lawyer/court says you're entitled to ask for something, does that mean that you should? i just don't subscribe to the theory that if i make $50k and hubby makes $100k, he should give me $25k so we can live equally.

    pre-nupts are no longer for the rich or those with assets to protect. we live in a country with a divorce rate so high that there are now more divorced adults in this country than there are married adults. my advice to all the young males on this board considering marriage.... cut back on the flowers and spend $1200 on a good pre-nupt. negotiate the terms of your divorce now, while you're both still madly in love and don't believe you'll ever part ways. it's a LOT less expensive than the $10k a divorce will likely cost you later, most which will go to attorneys, when you both hate each other's cheating guts.

    If my wife ever attempts to do the things mentioned in this thread, I'll just hit tiffles up and have her taken care of.

    RaiseHigh said... No. This is jtp's doing. He's kept me around for his bizarre HOF resume.

    jtpterp

  • h) get him to call Paul's wife

    "WE WANT MORE WE WANT MORE girl is providing the rallying cry for the 2013 O's." ~dh2k3

    JDawgBBall9

  • I know know an ex wife who takes the huge alimony payments but doesn't pay the mortgage. She knows his credit will get killed when the bank forecloses.....so he will end up making her payments for her

    She doesn't care about her own credit, shes a bit nutty, but has tons of cash

    winterps

  • winterps said...

    I know know an ex wife who takes the huge alimony payments but doesn't pay the mortgage. She knows his credit will get killed when the bank forecloses.....so he will end up making her payments for her

    She doesn't care about her own credit, shes a bit nutty, but has tons of cash

    Unless he got the house and decided to let her live there, there is no possible way this is happening. If she got the house in the divorce, she has to take the house. It can't be left in his name.

    ColbertRepor

  • Another reason why guys are morons to get married.

    Coltsfan1832644

  • Pamela, has he tried to rent the home he bought for that bitchy wife? He could probably do that and pay for his mortgage a month. I'm sorry, but men really get screwed sometimes in these situations.

    amyeg

  • ColbertRepor said...

    Unless he got the house and decided to let her live there, there is no possible way this is happening. If she got the house in the divorce, she has to take the house. It can't be left in his name.

    I'm not really familiar with divorce law, but I don't see why it couldn't be left in his name, but he be ordered to provide it to her rent-free. Unless the settlement specifically allows for her to trade in the rent-free domicile for alimony, I'm not sure why a rent-free domicile would automatically convert to the equivalent in alimony, though. But it depends on the terms of the settlement.

    As his friend, I just wouldn't try to give much advice on stuff like this beyond "you need to have your lawyer review the terms of your settlement." Giving well-intentioned-but-incorrect advice is worse than just saying "man, that sucks."

    MisterSmiley

  • ColbertRepor said...

    Unless he got the house and decided to let her live there, there is no possible way this is happening. If she got the house in the divorce, she has to take the house. It can't be left in his name.

    she lives in the house

    house is in both names
    mortgage in both names

    divorce was several years ago

    in theory the house is for sale, but she won't let it be priced at current market (she wants 2008 pricing)

    winterps

  • Kill her, obv

    I mean what?

    This post was edited by hgoodman on 4/11/2012 at 12:06 PM

    hgoodman

  • So...if my girlfriend makes significantly more than I do, and the house and mortgage are in my name...should I marry and divorce her and she'll have to pay me?

    LeafeeWolf

  • LeafeeWolf said...

    So...if my girlfriend makes significantly more than I do, and the house and mortgage are in my name...should I marry and divorce her and she'll have to pay me?

    Yes.*

    *No, not really. I don't have your best interests in mind and just want more entertaining threads.

    MisterSmiley

  • hgoodman said...

    Kill her, obv

    I mean what?

    mother of his children

    otoh i'm pretty sure he told me this tale of woe hoping i would take care of it for him next time he leaves town...

    winterps

  • Coltsfan1832 said...

    Another reason why guys are morons to get married.

    Another reason why it's fun to make fun of lawyers until you actually need one...and then when you need one and don't hire a good one, you get royally fucked.

    terps99

  • JoeBlack84 said...

    it all comes down to whether or not she is on the deed of trust

    if his wife is only on the deed, she can walk away a winner because she pwned him...the lender is strictly going to go after who is the the note and deed of trust

    he'll probably have to try a short sale or just let them foreclose

    no, this is totally incorrect.

    If they jointly owned the house her name would have been on the deed -- therefore it would be required that she give her permission to grant the deed of trust (mortgage) in order to use the property to secure the loan. Therefore she will be on the deed of trust -- but not on the note.

    Loans are made everyday to just husbands or just wives when the two own property together -- the key is that the borrower signs the note -- therefore obligating his or herself to pay the loan and both sign the deed of trust allowing the loan to be secured by the property.

    At the end of the day in 99%+ of these deals the bank stops at taking the house through foreclosure and does not try and collect on the balance of the note.

    The answer to the OP's question was short sale -- he got bad advice on not going that route, If he does have the assets to cover how far it is under water then he should simply sell it and stroke a check and chalk it up to a dumb decision.

    This post was edited by crofton on 4/11/2012 at 3:55 PM

    crofton

  • fwiw.. he's not asking me for advice on how to handle the situation with the wife. whatever they courts/lawyers tell him he has to pay her, he has to pay her. it's pretty cut and dry.

    he's looking for advice, such as what DrR2 and Crofton are offering. from everything i've read in the last 24 hours, he seems as though he should do the short sale and hope the banks don't come after him for the difference.

    and yes, she's on the deed.. and no she's not on the note. she's willing to sign a quit claim though. so kind of her. bitch.

    PamelaD