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Yeah, I can't see Trayvon being the one crying out for help...if it were me, I'd turn and run and make the guy shoot me in the back, if he was going to shoot. Doesn't seem like there would be a lot of time, once a gun is pulled on you, to start yelling for help. At the very least, you try to get away.

Yeah I hear ya, I was just responding to Baldwin's link on who called out for help.

If there was a physical scuffle, I don't think Zimmerman pulls the gun if he's winning the fight. No need. He could just beat the kid up and then either walk away or call the cops from the scene.

Ok thanks. And I don't think it should just be about Martin winning, it's got to be about Martin beating the crap out of him for his frame of mind to justified to shoot. I guess the medical records can shed some light on that.

so part of the florida stand your ground law states that if you are arrested and found innocent on basis of the stand your ground law you are entitled to $$$$$ from the police agency that arrested you?

Facts of the case are missing. Unlike most Americans I still believe innocent until proven guilty.

LOL at you if you can't see the irony and hypocrisy here. So you're some great American who believes in the presumption of innocence, but despite there being zero evidence right now against Martin having committed some crime, you believe that he may not be innocent?

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You got me

I agree, but it's a new wrinkle to an already confusing story that contradicted what I was saying last week, so I thought I'd post it.

Again I have to point out that Sanford authorities CLOSED this case and moved on weeks ago. The Martin family wasn't satisifed with the answers they were given and were getting nowhere with the City. They hired an attorney and that attorney helped them get national attention which has resulted in the State and national media looking into the events that occured that evening beyond just GZ's statement. Guilt or innocence aside, there is more than enough probable cause to effect an arrest of GZ. I'll will go on record as one that believes that had GZ been Black and not White (because he is White) he would have been arrested.

A man I knew well got into an argument about his dog which wandered on his neighbor's lawn. The guy turned around and walked away, and was shot in the back. While he lay dying, the shooter ran in the house to erase the video taping he had going. The trial started today! Perp was an ex-cop, nutty as a fruit cake with a right to carry, once rescinded but over turned by some board in Maryland.

He will be found guilty, and I hope he gets life without parole so that the bhoys can rape his ass every day!

Zimmerman shot and killed a man. That is a minor. a child most men could whip rather easily unless the 140 lb 17 year old has been trained to fight. even then there is a reason they have weight classes in karate, boxing, wrestling, and mixed martial arts.

Zimmerman is much bigger. how much? dunno. he is also a man grown, in the prime of his life. Guys win heavyweight titles at age 28, they are allpros at 28, not 17.

So proof exists beyond a reasonable doubt that zimmerman shot and killed a smaller person, a minor. It is up to the shooter to prove a defense. and he needs to prove he was in reasonable fear for his life or great bodily harm(not your average buttkicking).The prosecutor does not have to prove Zimmerman was not defending himself-that burden is on zimmerman.