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  • reeceg1 said...

    really?

    That isn't a racial slur in many parts. Growing up in Arkansas, I've usually heard that term in reference to (usually white) Cajuns.

    This post was edited by raisinsnacks on 3/28/2012 at 7:18 PM

    raisinsnacks

  • reeceg1 said...

    Where's the blood and the bandages?

    The Sanford PD shouldn't even be allowed to issue a parking ticket. If those guys are the best qualified for the job, "AA" is live and well in that PD.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by CaliforniaTerp on 3/28/2012 at 7:25 PM

    Come on out and get your whoopin!

    CaliforniaTerp

  • CaliforniaTerp said...

    The Sanford PD shouldn't even be allowed to issue a parking ticket. If those guys are the qualified for the job, "AA" is life and well in that PD.

    Wat?

    terps99

  • CaliforniaTerp said...

    The Sanford PD shouldn't even be allowed to issue a parking ticket. If those guys are the qualified for the job, "AA" is life and well in that PD.

    They listed Trayvon as a John Doe for three days, even though they knew his identity. They were cooking up a alibi/story. Zimmerman story has changed 3 times. Two conflicting police reports. This is about to get ireal nteresting.

    Layman ... Jake Layman!

    reeceg1

  • You know what's fucked up about Zimmerman, he kills the kid, and supposedly stands over him and then let's him lie face down in the grass. A decent person, shooter or not, would check if he was still alive. The video isn't conclusive about his injuries but they certainly don't appear as bad as intimated. He might not be lying 100% but I'm really doubtful he was completely truthful in his story. I'm really curious as to know the chronology that led up to him being cleared. If it was soon after the incident fir lack of evidence at the time, the question is whether or not the police work was thorough up to that point to consider all evidence. No toxicology test, no checking of martins phone records. Did they get lab results on the physical evidence already? I read that they had both men's clothes. Everyone is in CYA mode and it looks like the police are laying it on wolfingers staff.

    TerpPride

  • And does he look shaken up in that video, the emotion one might expect to see from someone who killed a person for the first time in his life? He has the demeanor of someone who just got busted for DUI, not potential murder. I know the video doesn't tell all, but there's not an ounce of upset there.

    TerpPride

  • All good points, but the problem here is going to be getting enough evidence to actually prove the case.

    Playing this through in my head, I can't decide if this is a case where Zimmerman would be more or less likely to testify on his own behalf if this ever goes to trial.

    terps99

  • Breaking: the Martins' lawyer has never before spoken the word 'proverbial'.

    Fwah Grah

  • Here's someone else that I find interesting. GZ knows the routine of calling 911, he knows the call is recorded. Who the heck talks like that during a recorded call? Made a derogatory slur, cursed again about getting away and then makes up some wild claim about someone being on drugs. He actually sounded like he was under the influence of something. The moment police listened to that tape they needed to call him in to answer more questions.

    TerpPride

  • TerpPride said...

    Here's someone else that I find interesting. GZ knows the routine of calling 911, he knows the call is recorded. Who the heck talks like that during a recorded call? Made a derogatory slur, cursed again about getting away and then makes up some wild claim about someone being on drugs. He actually sounded like he was under the influence of something. The moment police listened to that tape they needed to call him in to answer more questions.

    Do we know when he obtained counsel? I imagine a lawyer might have counseled him against going back in to answer more questions.

    terps99

  • terps99 said...

    All good points, but the problem here is going to be getting enough evidence to actually prove the case.

    Playing this through in my head, I can't decide if this is a case where Zimmerman would be more or less likely to testify on his own behalf if this ever goes to trial.

    when you kill the other guy, there is one less story to tell...

    BrotherAbstract

  • I don't know what that means vis-a-vis the post you quoted...

    terps99

  • I'm under the I impression his counsel, Sonner was hired recently because he was clueless on some details just last week. I don't think he had counsel in early march but I'm not sure.

    TerpPride

  • TerpPride said...

    Here's someone else that I find interesting. GZ knows the routine of calling 911, he knows the call is recorded. Who the heck talks like that during a recorded call? Made a derogatory slur, cursed again about getting away and then makes up some wild claim about someone being on drugs. He actually sounded like he was under the influence of something. The moment police listened to that tape they needed to call him in to answer more questions.

    He didn't call 911. He called the direct line to the police, The non-emergency number.

    Come on out and get your whoopin!

    CaliforniaTerp

  • CaliforniaTerp said...

    He didn't call 911. He called the direct line to the police, The non-emergency number.

    thanks for the clarification, it's the non-911 number handled by the 911 dispatcher. either way the call is officially recorded.

    TerpPride

  • reeceg1 said...

    Where's the blood and the bandages?

    At one point an officer examines the back of his head and in the second camera angle his nose doesn't look great.

    But he absolutely doesn't look like someone who was about to die at the fists of a 17 year old.

    Baldwin

  • The police report said first aid was administered at the scene so if anyone is looking for a bunch of blood in the video you'll be disappointed.

    here's a take from Zimmerman's dad...he claims the girlfriend made up her story.

    George Zimmerman's Father Claims Trayvon Martin Beat His Son, Threatened His Life | Fox News

    In the moments before Florida neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman fatally shot 17-year-old unarmed teen Trayvon Martin the teen repeatedly slammed Zimmerman's head into the ground and threatened his life, Zimmerman's father claims.

    www.foxnews.com

    naegeleterp

  • "Zimmerman's Father Claims Trayvon Martin Beat His Son"

    OMG, in addition to apparently doing drugs and wearing hoodies, Trayvon Martin also beat his son!?

    I know I'm a huge tool for being a writing snob, but I hate the overuse/misuse of pronouns, especially in formal writing (and especially by people who write for a living). Given how crazy this case is, it wouldn't surprise me if someone was claiming that Trayvon Martin beat kids.

    terps99

  • naegeleterp said...

    The police report said first aid was administered at the scene so if anyone is looking for a bunch of blood in the video you'll be disappointed.

    here's a take from Zimmerman's dad...he claims the girlfriend made up her story.

    Hasn't this already been proven to be true?

    "Robert Zimmerman also claims he doubts the account of the night from Martin's girlfriend, who claims she was talking with Martin on the phone before the incident.
    "I don't believe that happened," Robert Zimmerman said. "I don't believe she was on the phone with him, and I find it very strange with the publicity involved... that all of a sudden, after three weeks, someone would remember that they were on the phone."

    sniper_terp

  • naegeleterp said...

    The police report said first aid was administered at the scene so if anyone is looking for a bunch of blood in the video you'll be disappointed.

    here's a take from Zimmerman's dad...he claims the girlfriend made up her story.

    LOL...he doesn't beleive that Trayvon was on the phone with the girl...even though there are verified phone records that confirm it.

    He also tried to say that his son didn't get out of his truck and didn't follow Trayvon...which obviously were incorrect.

    If you're broadcasting a game, tell it the way it really is, but keep your opinions to yourself...! Peter Angelos

    raveninwoodlawn

  • sniper_terp said...

    Hasn't this already been proven to be true?

    "Robert Zimmerman also claims he doubts the account of the night from Martin's girlfriend, who claims she was talking with Martin on the phone before the incident. "I don't believe that happened," Robert Zimmerman said. "I don't believe she was on the phone with him, and I find it very strange with the publicity involved... that all of a sudden, after three weeks, someone would remember that they were on the phone."

    Yeah, he absolutely was on the phone with her prior to the attack. Her recollection of the events three weeks later are likely suspect (maybe someone should have talked to her the next day).

    Baldwin

  • Baldwin said...

    Yeah, he absolutely was on the phone with her prior to the attack. Her recollection of the events three weeks later are likely suspect (maybe someone should have talked to her the next day).

    This is whats killing me about this story. There is so much misinformation and/or bad journalism.

    sniper_terp

  • naegeleterp said...

    The police report said first aid was administered at the scene so if anyone is looking for a bunch of blood in the video you'll be disappointed.

    here's a take from Zimmerman's dad...he claims the girlfriend made up her story.

    There is no blood on his shirt. There is no bruising on his head and face. His shirt is perfectly tucked in. He get's out of the car quite easily with his hands handcuffed behind him, after being in this "horrible fight".

    Layman ... Jake Layman!

    reeceg1

  • More and more this looks like a case where the cops knew who did something wrong, but the prosecutors didn't think they had enough evidence to get a conviction right now.

    terps99

  • In the police report it said that Zimmerman was given first aid by the Sanford Fire Dept. in the back of the police car. All you have to do is interview that SFD paramedic and ask what his injuries were.

    naegeleterp