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We are now officially a banana republic.

  • Al Charlatan's Atlanta HQ admits to handing out bogus stimulus check forms.

    This post was edited by frode on 10/1/2011 at 11:53 AM

    Sharpton's Atlanta HQ admits handing out possibly bogus stimulus check forms | 11alive.com

    http://www.11alive.com/news/article/207668/40/Sharptons-Atlanta-HQ-admits-handing-out-possibly-bogus-stimulus-check-forms

    www.11alive.com

    frode

  • frode said...

    Al Charlatan's Atlanta HQ admits to handing out bogus stimulus check forms.

    Dumbasses. I'm going to Atlanta this week on business. I fully expect to leave with the life savings of many of its citizens, simply due to the fact that I'm not a dumbass, and they are. It's science.

    SATerp

  • Does anyone get the impression Issa is keeping his powder dry so that he can drop bombs during election season?

    frode

  • frode said...

    Does anyone get the impression Issa is keeping his powder dry so that he can drop bombs during election season?

    Here's hoping Grassely leads the charge as Issa is a mess, he is unreliable and has a corrupt past.

    For such a time as this.

    bigturtle

  • bigturtle said...

    Here's hoping Grassely leads the charge as Issa is a mess, he is unreliable and has a corrupt past.

    Does that really matter, though? He's not running for President or anything; he's just running an investigation.

    frode

  • frode said...

    Does that really matter, though? He's not running for President or anything; he's just running an investigation.

    Remember how Ken Starr was demonized, and he was an honorable man,
    The Dems will make this all about Issa.

    For such a time as this.

    bigturtle

  • bigturtle said...

    Remember how Ken Starr was demonized, and he was an honorable man, The Dems will make this all about Issa.

    No doubt...but in the end, it's about the investigation and evidence. All Issa has to do is his job. I imagine there will be a special prosecutor at some point, who will take it and run with it.

    frode

  • ATF deliberately trafficed guns unto Mexico

    Despite Denials, Map Proves Deliberate Illegal Gun Trafficking by ATF to Mexico - Katie Pavlich

    Despite Denials, Map Proves Deliberate Illegal Gun Trafficking by ATF to Mexico - Katie Pavlich: This map, revealed in the White House document dump I

    townhall.com

    For such a time as this.

    bigturtle

  • tagterp said...

    Anybody who does not think the Obama Administration is a corrupt as any other Administration needs a saliva test for intoxication. It is obvious they push government money to donors of influence. They attempted to seed the cartels with American guns whose purchase was facilitated by ATF types so that they could show American sources for guns in the hands of cartels. Why? Well in cooperation with the Washington Post they were setting the table for major federal legislation to stop legitimate gun sales and hoped to use these "discoveries" as proof of the need for action (you know the type that needs to be enacted tomorrow because the "bill has to be passed in order to know what is in it") .

    I hope a court ordered special prosecutor is named and that investigation results in Holder's impeachment. DOJ violated the law for political purposes yet again!

    Great summation.

    For such a time as this.

    bigturtle

  • I'm just curious if there are any liberals on this board who are legitimately disgusted by these scandals, or if they stay out of this thread like ostriches with their heads in the sand..."nothing's been proven yet" and other trite excuses.

    frode

  • Senior White House officials deeply enmeshed in discussions of Solyndra - The Washington Post

    A top fundraiser and federal officials warned that President Obama might be embarrassed later if he made a high-profile visit to Solyndra in 2010.

    www.washingtonpost.com

    For such a time as this.

    bigturtle

  • ATF Fast and Furious: New documents show Attorney General Eric Holder was briefed in July 2010 - CBS News Investigates - CBS News

    Documents contradict Holder's statement to Congress in May 2011 about controversial policy Read more by Sharyl Attkisson on CBS News' CBS News Investigates.

    www.cbsnews.com

    For such a time as this.

    bigturtle

  • frode said...

    I'm just curious if there are any liberals on this board who are legitimately disgusted by these scandals, or if they stay out of this thread like ostriches with their heads in the sand..."nothing's been proven yet" and other trite excuses.

    I personally don't care about Solyndra. Hello Halliburton! The administration looks bad, they deserve to look bad, and it will certainly be used against them.

    As for the gun thing, I don't know too much about it, surely due to the MSM coverup to protect Dear Leader Obama. From what I've read, I certainly don't believe it was some conspiracy to get American guns in the cartels' hands (they already have plenty), as much as it looks like a really stupid way to try to get info/combat them. If the DOJ gets caught lying about it, they deserve to be investigated. Not sure what you want me to say? I'm voting for Mittens now?

    PaulUMD

  • PaulUMD said...

    I personally don't care about Solyndra. Hello Halliburton! The administration looks bad, they deserve to look bad, and it will certainly be used against them.

    As for the gun thing, I don't know too much about it, surely due to the MSM coverup to protect Dear Leader Obama. From what I've read, I certainly don't believe it was some conspiracy to get American guns in the cartels' hands (they already have plenty), as much as it looks like a really stupid way to try to get info/combat them. If the DOJ gets caught lying about it, they deserve to be investigated. Not sure what you want me to say? I'm voting for Mittens now?

    Not sure what the comparisons with Halliburton are about...

    I'm not talking about voting, but this sort of scandal is disgusting and could possibly result in criminal prosecution of Holder. As this scandal heats up, Obama would do well do dismiss Holder and let those chips fall where they may. Even the media is jumping on this big time, and people who believe in big government should be up in arms about this.

    Eric Holder: I only heard about Operation Fast & Furious after it blew up in 2011!

    CBS: Here’s a list of memos that shows that you were briefed on Operation Fast & Furious, starting in July 2010.

    Eric Holder: Oh. That Operation Fast & Furious. Yeah. Um. I, err, misspoke . Didn’t know the details.

    ******************

    frode

  • This whole thing was a colossal fail on 100 levels, but LOL at the idea of this leading to the criminal prosecution of Eric Holder.

    This post was edited by terps99 on 10/4/2011 at 9:29 AM

    terps99

  • terps99 said...

    This whole thing was a colossal fail on 100 levels, but LOL at the idea of this leading to the criminal prosecution of Eric Holder.

    Are you saying there's no way possible? It appears, although we're not there yet, that he could POSSIBLY have authorized the thing from the start.

    frode

  • Almost anything is possible; I just don't think it's remotely likely. I've admittedly not followed this very closely, but criminal prosecution of him on what grounds?

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by terps99 on 10/4/2011 at 9:43 AM

    terps99

  • frode said...

    Not sure what the comparisons with Halliburton are about...

    I'm not talking about voting, but this sort of scandal is disgusting and could possibly result in criminal prosecution of Holder. As this scandal heats up, Obama would do well do dismiss Holder and let those chips fall where they may. Even the media is jumping on this big time, and people who believe in big government should be up in arms about this.

    Eric Holder: I only heard about Operation Fast & Furious after it blew up in 2011!

    CBS: Here’s a list of memos that shows that you were briefed on Operation Fast & Furious, starting in July 2010.

    Eric Holder: Oh. That Operation Fast & Furious. Yeah. Um. I, err, misspoke . Didn’t know the details.

    ******************

    OK, so...what was the crime here? Letting the weapons get into Mexican hands and then said weapon being used to kill an American? If so, then anyone involved in helping the Afghan mujaheddin should be sent off to jail as well.

    PaulUMD

  • PaulUMD said...

    OK, so...what was the crime here? Letting the weapons get into Mexican hands and then said weapon being used to kill an American? If so, then anyone involved in helping the Afghan mujaheddin should be sent off to jail as well.

    Not exactly the same thing, but yeah, I'm curious what the slam dunk crime is even if he knew about it from the start.

    Unfortunately, stupidity and/or being really bad at your job is not an indictable offense.

    This post was edited by terps99 on 10/4/2011 at 10:16 AM

    terps99

  • If he authorized funds to purchase guns and also authorized transaction(s) to get them across the border and into the hands of the cartels, and then tried to cover this up when Congress came calling...well I have no legal background, but it seems to me there'd be a crime somewhere in there.

    And like I said, we're not yet at that point, but from what I've read, there's a much smaller chance this could have happened without his knowledge and OK than with.

    frode

  • frode said...

    And like I said, we're not yet at that point, but from what I've read, there's a much smaller chance this could have happened without his knowledge and OK than with.

    I have absolutely no idea why you think that's true. Do you realize how big the Dept. of Justice is and how many countless programs are going on at any given time? I think it's far more likely that this (and almost any other program) goes on without his knowledge than with. And even memos addressed to him back in the day don't convince me of much regarding his knowledge. Almost everyone probably writes/files away a CYA memo about this stuff. I think Holder's bigger problem here (assuming, of course, that he isn't flat out lying) is that you can't exactly come out and say, "um, there might be memos addressed to me, but I didn't read/focus in on that."

    Heck, you don't even have to be the Attorney General of the United States to have that problem. Plenty of corporate executives etc. get caught up in this mess when some random accountant somewhere writes them a memo about something and they get caught up in some huge accounting fraud without consciously authorizing improper conduct.

    This post was edited by terps99 on 10/4/2011 at 10:41 AM

    terps99

  • House Republicans To Request Special Counsel To Probe Holder On 'Fast And Furious' | Fox News

    EXCLUSIVE: House Republicans are going to call for a special counsel to determine whether Attorney General Holder perjured himself during his testimony to the House Judiciary Committee on Operation Fast and Furious, Fox News has learned.

    www.foxnews.com

    Ladiesloveterps

  • Yes, I'd imagine that perjury is a much more real concern. It's never the crime; it's always the coverup.

    terps99

  • terps99 said...

    I have absolutely no idea why you think that's true. Do you realize how big the Dept. of Justice is and how many countless programs are going on at any given time? I think it's far more likely that this (and almost any other program) goes on without his knowledge than with. And even memos addressed to him back in the day don't convince me of much regarding his knowledge.

    I realize what you're saying, and sure, there's always a chance there's some megalomaniac rogue in the ATF or FBI who made this his own personal project. All I'm saying is, I doubt Holder didn't know from the start...and I say this having been following the timeline since the story originally broke. Also, there's plenty of evidence the White House knew all about it too.

    I'd have to admire the balls of some ATF or FBI guy who conceived of this all on his own, and began executing it while deliberately hiding it from his superiors at DOJ. That'd be a novel-worthy story, and that's why I'm inclined not to believe it.

    frode

  • CBS News investigative journalist Sharyl Attkisson -- who's been covering the scandal from the beginning -- says in an interview on the Laura Ingraham Show today that the White House and Justice Department have taken to screaming at her for reporting on the story. You can listen to the full interview below, but here are the key excerpts from Attkisson:

    In between the yelling that I received from Justice Department yesterday, the spokeswoman--who would not put anything in writing, I was asking for her explanation so there would be clarity and no confusion later over what had been said, she wouldn't put anything in writing--so we talked on the phone and she said things such as the question Holder answered was different than the one he asked. But he phrased it, he said very explicitly, 'I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.'

    Ingraham: So they were literally screaming at you?

    Attkisson: Yes. Well the DOJ woman was just yelling at me. The guy from the White House on Friday night literally screamed at me and cussed at me. [Laura: Who was the person? Who was the person at Justice screaming?] Eric Schultz. Oh, the person screaming was [DOJ spokeswoman] Tracy Schmaler, she was yelling not screaming. And the person who screamed at me was Eric Schultz at the White House."

    Finally, Attkisson notes that the White House is claiming that a thorough investigation of the scandal is unwarranted:

    [The White House and Justice Department] will tell you that I'm the only reporter--as they told me--that is not reasonable. They say the Washington Post is reasonable, the LA Times is reasonable, the New York Times is reasonable, I'm the only one who thinks this is a story, and they think I'm unfair and biased by pursuing it.

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    Either this website doesn't exist or is not currently available.

    www.weeklystandard.com

    frode