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  • Former mayor of San Diego spells out what happens when regulations and entitlements strangle the life out of a state (as a warning to the country as a whole).

    Some highlights:

    *********

    California is a one-party state dominated by a virulent Democratic Left enabled by a complicit media where every agency of local, county, and state government is run by and for the public employee unions. The unemployment rate is 12%.

    ... the governor proclaimed the rich must pay their fair share

    Income of more than $1 million pays the "millionaires' and billionaires'" surcharge tax rate of 10.3%. Brown's proposal would add 2% for income over $250,000. A million-dollar income would then be taxed at 12.3%. ... Brown also proposed a one-half-cent sales tax increase, which would bring sales taxes (which vary by county) to 7.75% to 10%.

    ...

    we don't want to turn down the Obama bullet-train bucks Florida and other states rejected because the operating costs would bankrupt them. Can't happen here - we're already insolvent.

    Illegals get benefits from various generous welfare programs, free medical care, free schools for their kids, including meals, and of course, instate tuition rates and scholarships too. Governor Perry, California has a heart. Nothing's too good for our guests.

    ... more and more of California's public land is off-limits to recreation by the people who paid for that land. Unless you're illegal. Then you can clear the land, set up marijuana plantations at will, bring in fertilizers that legal farmers can no longer use, exploit illegal farm workers who live in hovels with no running water or sanitation, and protect your investment with armed illegals carrying guns no California citizen is allowed to own.

    ...After driving out the old industrial base (auto and airplane assembly, for example), air and water regulators and tax policies are now driving out the high-tech, biotech and even Internet-based companies that were supposed to be California's future.

    No job is too small to escape the regulators. The state has even banned weekend amateur gold miners from the historic gold mining streams in the Sierra Nevada Mountains.

    California's Not Dreamin': This Is the Nightmare of an Obama Second Term - HUMAN EVENTS

    Behold a state taxed and regulated into a wasteland where only illegals enjoy the good life.

    www.humanevents.com

    frode

  • Nothing like fear mongering of the highest order.

    wolvinakron

  • wolvinakron said...

    Nothing like fear mongering of the highest order.

    I agree. Clearly there is no evidence that California is completely dysfunctional, and run by leftist, environmental weirdos supported by out of control public sector unions.

    SATerp

  • wolvinakron said...

    Nothing like fear mongering of the highest order.

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    bbpgtr

  • SATerp said...

    I agree. Clearly there is no evidence that California is completely dysfunctional, and run by leftist, environmental weirdos supported by out of control public sector unions.

    I forgot when Obama ran California and then imitated how that state was run into how he was running the country.

    Can someone do a rundown of all the things in California Obama has done?

    Kthanx!

    wolvinakron

  • Rasmussen now has Romney 47% Obama 45% head to head.

    "Just 27% believe that government efforts to manage the economy actually help the economy. Fifty percent (50%) believe the government efforts do more harm than good."

    This post was edited by MuddyLake on 3/9/2012 at 9:25 AM

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    MuddyLake

  • C'mon, I get the interest in finding renewable resources, but this is a ridiculous position for a POTUS to take:

    "President Barack Obama on Wednesday dismissed oil as "the fuel of the past"

    Really, the "fuel of the past?"

    Oil is ‘the fuel of the past,’ says President Obama | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

    Read 'Oil is ‘the fuel of the past,’ says President Obama' from our blog The Ticket on Yahoo! News. President Barack Obama on Wednesday dismissed oil as They get out on the campaign trail—and you and I both know there are no quick fixes to this problem—but [...]

    news.yahoo.com

    SATerp

  • MuddyLake said...

    Rasmussen now has Romney 47% Obama 45% head to head.

    "Just 27% believe that government efforts to manage the economy actually help the economy. Fifty percent (50%) believe the government efforts do more harm than good."

    That Strongly Disapprove spike seems to correlate with gas prices which makes the Keystone thing and the rest of O's energy policies so odd. I guess he needs the Enviro $ that badly now and figures he can always tap the SPR closer to the election to get the price down (or the Iran war will be over by then which will also calm prices).

    interpid

  • super long but great read on our president

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/the_incomplete_greatness_of_ba035754.php?page=1#

    5th and lehigh

  • I love how analyzed polls are. There is usually a 5% margin of error. That means about 1 in 20 polls we read has no actual correlation on reality. And yet, every poll is equally micro-analyzed. Basically, 1 out of 20 polls we analyze, we are acting like morons.

    Also Rasmussen is a Republican hack firm. They always provide exactly what the republican party needs at exactly the right time. It happens in every race across the country. So I'm shocked that right now, when the narrative that Romney can't win is starting to take hold, and he needs to galvanize the party as he tries to pivot away from the primary, Rasmussen comes out with a poll with him beating Obama. It's almost too predictable.

    sohlman6

  • frode said...

    Former mayor of San Diego spells out what happens when regulations and entitlements strangle the life out of a state (as a warning to the country as a whole).

    Some highlights:

    *********

    California is a one-party state dominated by a virulent Democratic Left enabled by a complicit media where every agency of local, county, and state government is run by and for the public employee unions. The unemployment rate is 12%.

    ... the governor proclaimed the rich must pay their fair share

    Income of more than $1 million pays the "millionaires' and billionaires'" surcharge tax rate of 10.3%. Brown's proposal would add 2% for income over $250,000. A million-dollar income would then be taxed at 12.3%. ... Brown also proposed a one-half-cent sales tax increase, which would bring sales taxes (which vary by county) to 7.75% to 10%.

    ...

    we don't want to turn down the Obama bullet-train bucks Florida and other states rejected because the operating costs would bankrupt them. Can't happen here - we're already insolvent.

    Illegals get benefits from various generous welfare programs, free medical care, free schools for their kids, including meals, and of course, instate tuition rates and scholarships too. Governor Perry, California has a heart. Nothing's too good for our guests.

    ... more and more of California's public land is off-limits to recreation by the people who paid for that land. Unless you're illegal. Then you can clear the land, set up marijuana plantations at will, bring in fertilizers that legal farmers can no longer use, exploit illegal farm workers who live in hovels with no running water or sanitation, and protect your investment with armed illegals carrying guns no California citizen is allowed to own.

    ...After driving out the old industrial base (auto and airplane assembly, for example), air and water regulators and tax policies are now driving out the high-tech, biotech and even Internet-based companies that were supposed to be California's future.

    No job is too small to escape the regulators. The state has even banned weekend amateur gold miners from the historic gold mining streams in the Sierra Nevada Mountains.

    The article conveniently ignores that the real problems with the budget were caused by policies enacted under Reagan. Much like the current budget problems were caused by Bush, but are being blamed on Obama. But hey, I get it, you need to blame the democrats, no one wants to look in the mirror peace

    sohlman6

  • 5th and lehigh said...

    super long but great read on our president

    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/the_incomplete_greatness_of_ba035754.php?page=1#

    If it's any consolation to you, pretty much every single conservative agrees that he's accomplished a great deal.

    SATerp

  • sohlman6 said...

    The article conveniently ignores that the real problems with the budget were caused by policies enacted under Reagan. Much like the current budget problems were caused by Bush, but are being blamed on Obama. But hey, I get it, you need to blame the democrats, no one wants to look in the mirror peace

    Why don't you guys just settle on Calvin Coolidge as "The Great Satan," and blame everything on him? He doesn't have that many defenders left, so you'll cause less laughter that way.

    SATerp

  • With oil now officially the fuel of the past, wut exactly's going to power Air Force 1 to all the vacation spots and golf courses the Obamas like so much?

    I guess wind will easily lift that plane up into the sky, the unicorns will fly alongside and all will be well in the brainwashed idiot liberals' BUBBLEWORLD Valhalla. [rofl]

    bbpgtr

  • "What has brought California to such a perilous state? How did its government become so wildly dysfunctional? One obvious cause is the deep recession, which has caused tax revenues to plunge for all states. But California's woes have a set of deeper reasons: direct democracy run amok, timid governors, partisan gridlock and a flawed constitution have all contributed to budget chaos and people in pain. And at the root of California's misery lies Proposition 13, the antitax measure that ignited the Reagan Revolution and the conservative era. In Washington, the Reagan-Bush era is over. But in California, the conservative legacy lives on."

    It will be interesting if conservatives will ever get to the point where they can un-emotionally analyze the legacy of Reagan, but I fear theories of cognitive dissonance prevent that.

    California's Budget Crisis: The Effects of Prop 13 - TIME

    Set in place by an antitax revolt, Prop 13 is at the center of California's fiscal crisis, one that may affect America's attempts at economic recovery

    www.time.com

    sohlman6

  • sohlman6 said...

    "What has brought California to such a perilous state? How did its government become so wildly dysfunctional? One obvious cause is the deep recession, which has caused tax revenues to plunge for all states. But California's woes have a set of deeper reasons: direct democracy run amok, timid governors, partisan gridlock and a flawed constitution have all contributed to budget chaos and people in pain. And at the root of California's misery lies Proposition 13, the antitax measure that ignited the Reagan Revolution and the conservative era. In Washington, the Reagan-Bush era is over. But in California, the conservative legacy lives on."

    It will be interesting if conservatives will ever get to the point where they can un-emotionally analyze the legacy of Reagan, but I fear theories of cognitive dissonance prevent that.

    Aren't propositions in CA voted on by the people, not the governor? If that's so, shouldn't you be blaming the people of CA? And don't the people of CA vote in all of the politicians who spend all their money and pass generally stupid laws? And couldn't they either repeal or modify 13 by a new prop?

    SATerp

  • Prop 13 remains popular among lefties and righties alike, and overall California is aways in the top 10 of highest taxed states so it's hard to argue that it's starving the state of revenue. BUT, you can make an argument that Prop 13 has contributed to CA's main governing problem--too much power residing in Sacramento, which is in thrall to entrenched lobbyists. Sacramento raises and spends the money that the localities cannot because of their property tax limitations.

    interpid

  • SATerp said...

    Aren't propositions in CA voted on by the people, not the governor? If that's so, shouldn't you be blaming the people of CA? And don't the people of CA vote in all of the politicians who spend all their money and pass generally stupid laws? And couldn't they either repeal or modify 13 by a new prop?

    Sure. But the reality is tax cuts and entitlements are extremely popular. So long as there are politicians that are willing to lie to them by saying they can have both and still reduce the deficit (see: Romney's platform), then why would anyone vote for tax increases? Shoot, it would be great if we passed a law that said in order to cut entitlements you would need to send it to a referendum. But I understand the demographic and fiscal realities so I know that would be irresponsible. And that's what that was. Fiscally irresponsible public policy which has caused serious long term damage.

    sohlman6

  • sohlman6 said...

    Sure. But the reality is tax cuts and entitlements are extremely popular. So long as there are politicians that are willing to lie to them by saying they can have both and still reduce the deficit (see: Romney's platform), then why would anyone vote for tax increases? Shoot, it would be great if we passed a law that said in order to cut entitlements you would need to send it to a referendum. But I understand the demographic and fiscal realities so I know that would be irresponsible. And that's what that was. Fiscally irresponsible public policy which has caused serious long term damage.

    Sadly, regardless of whether state or federal, both the people and the politicians of all stripes and persuasions are proving themselves to be fiscal idiots. I doubt either party will solve CA's, 49 other states, and the fed's budget problems - at least until our faces are rubbed in the stinky poo poo of long term debt.

    SATerp

  • SATerp said...

    Sadly, regardless of whether state or federal, both the people and the politicians of all stripes and persuasions are proving themselves to be fiscal idiots. I doubt either party will solve CA's, 49 other states, and the fed's budget problems - at least until our faces are rubbed in the stinky poo poo of long term debt.

    I don't disagree with you there.

    sohlman6

  • sohlman6 said...

    Sure. But the reality is tax cuts and entitlements are extremely popular. So long as there are politicians that are willing to lie to them by saying they can have both and still reduce the deficit (see: Romney's platform), then why would anyone vote for tax increases? Shoot, it would be great if we passed a law that said in order to cut entitlements you would need to send it to a referendum. But I understand the demographic and fiscal realities so I know that would be irresponsible. And that's what that was. Fiscally irresponsible public policy which has caused serious long term damage.

    A referendum on tax increases (or cuts) or entitlement cuts will always succeed when you can convince the majority of voters that the other guy is going to take the hit. But that's not even the issue, both in CA and in the entire country. The reality is that the money that's already been spent far outpaces any tax increase you could possibly inflict on the wealthy. Also, in CA and the US, you could utterly destroy the middle class if you were to raise their taxes to the point necessary for lowering the debt to a manageable level. It's a shell game, plain and simple. We just move theoretical money around and make ourselves feel better by raising taxes on "the wealthy" every once in a while.

    CA will learn harsh lessons when more and more of the wealthy folks pick up and move out of the state, and when the government has destroyed more of CA's incredible farmland out of concern for (irony alert) "the environment".

    frode

  • frode said...

    A referendum on tax increases (or cuts) or entitlement cuts will always succeed when you can convince the majority of voters that the other guy is going to take the hit. But that's not even the issue, both in CA and in the entire country. The reality is that the money that's already been spent far outpaces any tax increase you could possibly inflict on the wealthy. Also, in CA and the US, you could utterly destroy the middle class if you were to raise their taxes to the point necessary for lowering the debt to a manageable level. It's a shell game, plain and simple. We just move theoretical money around and make ourselves feel better by raising taxes on "the wealthy" every once in a while.

    CA will learn harsh lessons when more and more of the wealthy folks pick up and move out of the state, and when the government has destroyed more of CA's incredible farmland out of concern for (irony alert) "the environment".

    "California,....is liberalism's chickens,.... come home to roost" - Rev Right

    hehehe.rockon

    bbpgtr

  • "The February 2012 US budget deficit was $237,000,000,000. The largest monthly deficit by any nation ever."

    MuddyLake

  • MuddyLake said...

    "The February 2012 US budget deficit was $237,000,000,000. The largest monthly deficit by any nation ever."

    I'm pretty sure you could say that about at least one month's budget every year in recent years (and probably a new record set multiple months every year).

    [Yes, it's still startling and absurd...but just saying...]

    terps99

  • Don't know if this was already posted but it is Obama related....really just posting it to watch Soledad O'Brien get pawned and outed on her bias. She is the worst.

    Soledad O’Brien is right and everybody needs to shut up about it, says Soledad O’Brien (UPDATE: Did Dorothy Brown forget what she wrote?) | The Daily Caller

    Soledad O'Brien is right and everybody needs to shut up about it, says Soledad O'Brien (UPDATE: Did Dorothy Brown forget what she wrote?)

    dailycaller.com

    Sdog