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Defend the NYC sugary drink ban

  • I generally agree with those who oppose this regulation, but I disagree with the sentiment contained in the latter part of fletch's post. I happen to think there are few things that are going to be bigger problems in the coming decades than our health issues. We are a really, really, really overweight and unhealthy society.

    terps99

  • fletchterpz said...

    I generally like Bloomberg, mainly for his ability to tell political parties to go to hell. But his constant campaign to use government to save us from ourselves is getting silly. Besides, bans and restrictions don't address the root issues of obesity.

    Agreed on all three points, and I'll add some of my own for each:

    1. It does fill me with a warm and fuzzy feeling when a politician tells the parties to go to hell, but the caveat there is that it's a signal of way too much hubris. And I think we can all agree he has a shitload of hubris.

    2. That hubris is leading to what we're seeing now with the "Nanny Bloomberg" regime. And it's not going to stop. He's been given (what he thinks is) free reign to improve the shit out of life for people, so that's what he's going to do, dammit.

    3. Prohibitions and restrictions never, ever address demand. Ignoring demand is what led to the unintended consequences of Prohibition in the 20s and 30s, the Drug War that continues today, etc. Sodas are obviously further down the societal ladder than alcohol and drugs, but you can feel the political pushback now. It's still not going to address the root issues, and there is a breaking point in the public will to put up with this crap.

    frode

  • Bloomberg lost me when he forced a possible 3rd term onto NYC after voters rejected the idea. He really seems to think he's the only person capable of successfully running NYC. I think he's an impressive guy, but that's the kind of hubris you find in the Hugo Chavezes and Vladimir Putins of the world. Exactly the kind of people term limits were intended to protect us from. I'm not saying Bloomberg = Putin, but with entrenched power comes corruption. It always does. Though the voters of NYC promptly reversed the term limit extension, so all of the Bloomberg's successors will be limited to 2 terms.

    NYC has been here for a long time and will be here long after Bloomberg is gone. And to paraphrase an old saying, after he leaves office, life will go on much the same as it did before.

    Major Major

  • strOterp

  • http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/05/opinion/granderson-poverty-health/index.html?hpt=hp_bn7

    shuklad

  • shuklad said...

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/05/opinion/granderson-poverty-health/index.html?hpt=hp_bn7

    Ground beef that is 80/20 is fattier but cheaper than 90/10. Ground turkey breast is leaner than the other two but is usually the more expensive. And many of us can't even begin to think about free-range chicken and organic produce -- food without pesticides and antibiotics that'll cost you a second mortgage in no time at all.

    False...Ground Turkey is cheaper at every store I have ever been to.

    Coleterp

  • shuklad said...

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/05/opinion/granderson-poverty-health/index.html?hpt=hp_bn7

    But it is also true that The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition recently published a study that found $1 could buy 1,200 calories of potato chips but just 250 calories of vegetables and 170 calories of fresh fruit.

    At Giant this week, $5 will get you either 4 cans of Pringles or 3 lbs of squash.

    Using calories per dollar as a unit of measurement in an article about obesity isn't the soundest of logic.

    RandomTerp

  • 80/20 ground beef is from chuck. 90/10 is made from round, which is a more expensive cut. I would guess this would explain the price difference.

    That or a vast conspiracy orchestrated by the food industry to make poor people fat for some reason.

    This post was edited by Major Major on 6/5/2012 at 2:24 PM

    Major Major

  • strOterp said...

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    Without reading the article, good for Disney. They have the right to pick and choose which ads go up and which do not. Now if the government started telling companies not to run unhealthy food ads then I would have a problem.

    redraven1

  • One of my favorite writers chimes in.

    LILEKS (James) :: The Bleat

    http://www.lileks.com/bleats/archive/12/0612/060512.html

    www.lileks.com

    frode

  • LOL...who here thought it was going to stop at sodas?

    Health panel talks about wider food ban - New York News | New York Breaking News | NYC Headlines

    The board hand-picked by Mayor Michael Bloomberg that must approve his ban of selling large sugar-filled drinks at restaurants might be looking at other targets.

    www.myfoxny.com

    frode

  • frode said...

    LOL...who here thought it was going to stop at sodas?

    You get the government you deserve in our system.

    SATerp

  • I wish Bloomberg could have used his hubris to push through congestion pricing for automobiles. That's something that would have actually had a significant effect on people's lives for the positive.

    TheArsenal

  • frode said...

    LOL...who here thought it was going to stop at sodas?

    Why, I do believe that is the textbook definition of a slippery slope.

    fuzzy510

  • RandomTerp said...

    Using calories per dollar as a unit of measurement in an article about obesity isn't the soundest of logic.

    why can't people understand this? it makes absolutely no sense when people bring that up.

    Phatboy if you had any balls I'd meet you at the AFA Boxing gym and have Coach Weichers put some gloves on us.

    phatphelix

  • Golden Corral has added cotton candy to their buffet, according to their commercials. So now, in addition to getting great calorie-per-dollar value, consumers can also get great calorie-per-minute value too!

    tecmoHOOperbowl

  • terps99 said...

    I generally agree with those who oppose this regulation, but I disagree with the sentiment contained in the latter part of fletch's post. I happen to think there are few things that are going to be bigger problems in the coming decades than our health issues. We are a really, really, really overweight and unhealthy society.

    I agree that obesity is an incredible health concern. A public health department official has told me it has already surpassed smoking as the nation's No. 1 preventable health problem.

    My point is, however, is this should be a matter for the public health officers, doctors and other medical officials, not mayors. For one thing, I do believe municipal governments will have very full plates in the coming decades, especially in the areas of failing infrastructure and how it will be repaired, replaced and paid for. But, in a larger sense (no pun intended), the public health officials are better prepared to address the obesity crisis in a clinical way by going after the root cultural issues.

    fletchterpz

  • tecmoHOOperbowl said...

    Golden Corral has added cotton candy to their buffet, according to their commercials. So now, in addition to getting great calorie-per-dollar value, consumers can also get great calorie-per-minute value too!

    Mmmm, chocolate dipped cotton candy. Now with leprosy sores!

    SATerp

  • fletchterpz said...

    My point is, however, is this should be a matter for the public health officers, doctors and other medical officials, not mayors. For one thing, I do believe municipal governments will have very full plates in the coming decades, especially in the areas of failing infrastructure and how it will be repaired, replaced and paid for. But, in a larger sense (no pun intended), the public health officials are better prepared to address the obesity crisis in a clinical way by going after the root cultural issues.

    Part of the problem, as seen in the link I posted above, is that the mayor is picking "experts" for his panel, so ultimately the problem is the same...setting eating policy for the public.

    IMO, we keep trying to find diet solutions to the problem of low physical activity, and it's not working. It's just easier to think of different ways/things to eat & drink rather than get off our asses and use our bodies. And as far as government bureaucrats are concerned, it's a lot easier to ban foods & drinks than it is to mandate physical activity for the citizens.

    This post was edited by frode on 6/13/2012 at 12:57 PM

    frode

  • frode said...

    Part of the problem, as seen in the link I posted above, is that the mayor is picking "experts" for his panel, so ultimately the problem is the same...setting eating policy for the public.

    IMO, we keep trying to find diet solutions to the problem of low physical activity, and it's not working. It's just easier to think of different ways/things to eat & drink rather than get off our asses and use our bodies. And as far as government bureaucrats are concerned, it's a lot easier to ban foods & drinks than it is to mandate physical activity for the citizens.

    I don't see it as the government's place to mandate any of that stuff, but then I believe gov't ought to be well out of the providing healthcare business too.

    SATerp

  • SATerp said...

    I don't see it as the government's place to mandate any of that stuff, but then I believe gov't ought to be well out of the providing healthcare business too.

    Exactly, and try as they might, government has never had much control over demand for something or the personal choices of individuals. The harder they try, the worse it gets for everyone.

    frode

  • Now that I'm part of a Conference with BIG CORN money, I find this ban even more disgusting.

    "And I try to har-mo-nize with songs the lonesome sparrow sings... There are no kings inside the Gates of Eden."

    dixonownsyou

  • Details emerging of the iron fist New Yorkers will live under beginning in March. No more two liters with pizza delivery, no more pitchers of soda for bowling alleys, and no more large mixers with bottle service at clubs.

    N.Y. Mayor Bloomberg bans 2-liter sodas with pizza delivery: report - Washington Times

    Amid New York Mayor Michael Bloombergs ban on big sodas — taking effect in March — are some details that may have been overlooked.

    www.washingtontimes.com

    neal990

  • LOL at people putting up with this nonsense.

    TheColfax

  • fletchterpz said...

    I agree that obesity is an incredible health concern. A public health department official has told me it has already surpassed smoking as the nation's No. 1 preventable health problem.

    My point is, however, is this should be a matter for the public health officers, doctors and other medical officials, not mayors. For one thing, I do believe municipal governments will have very full plates in the coming decades, especially in the areas of failing infrastructure and how it will be repaired, replaced and paid for. But, in a larger sense (no pun intended), the public health officials are better prepared to address the obesity crisis in a clinical way by going after the root cultural issues.

    This is a great point. I've got a plan to solve both problems.

    Once we gather all of the fat people and they have spent all day doing manual labor and construction work on our failing infrastructure, they will have burned plenty of calories to enjoy a Super Super Big Gulp or whatever.

    indyumd