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It's solid. I went in expecting one of those war flicks that suckers 18 year old boys into thinking the military is a really fun, cool place to go get killed.
Instead, it was a very slow and determined tale of all the work that goes into hunting down a prick like UBL.
Plus, Jessica Chastain really grows on you throughout the movie. Some surprising guest appearances by comedic actors.
Just a few hours ago I was browsing on Amazon for a book about the raid, but some of the reviews are so dismissive that I didn't buy any of them. The low-star reviews for the "Owen" one are pretty savage.
I thought the Mark Bowden one would be money, but even Bowden fans said it blows.
What's the best one (or two) in your opinion?
The Bowden one has the most background and detail in my view.
I only read Bowden's but liked it. I liked that he got into the contexts in which decisions came. For instance the decision to invade Pakistani airspace. The thinking there was that our relationship w/ them was based on mutual need rather than trust and if a raid for bin laden led to its undoing than it was going to fall apart anyway, etc. Sub topics like that were even fleshed out to the point where he talks about Obama's instruction to the Seals if they're confronted by Pakistani forces at the compound to be prepared to fight their way out rather than hole up and wait for diplomatic help.
As you said, Idk there was a lot like that I liked.
This post was edited by indianajones4 18 months ago
I haven't read it yet, but Peter Bergen's book is supposed to be excellent.
Bert Maclin out of retirement.
Im ready for aa 5th of vodica to end my feels.
Cool, thanks people...
I want to see this movie too. It looks really good. Somebody said it's similar in pacing and feel to the Showtime series Homeland, which I'm into. I agree with some about not liking Hurt Locker...I thought it was terrible, and to this day can't understand how it won a Oscar. That said, I can't wait to check this movie out.
DVD Screener just leaked online like an hour ago. Psyched to watch it tomorrow.
Skyfall and The Hobbit did in the last week as well.
Just got back from it and thought it was incredibly good. Will disappoint anybody looking for a standard action movie, but that's not what it's meant to be.
Kevin from the League was killing me. Thought it was really good.
"It's just so hard," Greivis said. "It's my heart, my love. Maryland made me who I am."
Easily in my top 5... Probably in my top two for 2012... I was not a huge fan of Hurt Locker. Maybe it wasn't the best year for movies but my top 4 are all on the list:
I'll buy that list. I thought Lincoln was a beautiful production, DDL was his typical outstanding but I still feel it felt a little flat. I guess history buffs probably dug it more.
classlessthug: I have too much on my plate to worry about the fact that my junk intimidates some needle D undergrad.
really enjoyed this and i need to start torturing people...seems very effective.
Thanks scoop, It was released in 2012 though so it's eligible for 2012 awards
Loved it loved it loved it, but it will definitely take some time to be able to see it again. Intense and authentic beyond comfort. The 9/11 opener was incredibly painful in the realest way - not disturbing as much heart-breaking.
I liked it. For those interested in learning more about the interrogation techniques I'd definitely recommend reading Hard Measures by Jose Rodriguez. It's written by the third in command of the CIA ( the guy in charge of the operations). Pretty sure the female is definitely mentioned too (although he uses all fake names to protect identities).
Or you could read this article.
Peter Bergen says a new film tells a gripping story about the hunt for Osama bin Laden, but it overemphasizes coercive interrogations.
thought they did a great job with this movie, the raid scene was great, i cannot imagine how intense that much have been in real life to be a part of that. also, when the guy is on the third floor of the house and starts calling "osama" was probably my favorite part, that was pretty funny.
as a republican, i can understand conservatives urging of pushing the movie back after election season (even though Obama was re-elected), but i don't see that this was a pro-Obama movie or anything.
i like the build up, with all the interrogations, the close calls, the failures, and what not, leading up to the info on the courier and the operation.
solid cast, the lead was great and thought the production crew and director did a fantastic job. could we have seen more of the actual soldiers? sure. but as some of you guys have mentioned, it's not intended to be an action flick.
I didn't think there was any political leaning in the movie really at all. If anything I thought it did give the impression (not judging rightly or wrongly or intentionally/coincidental) that torture played a key role in finding Bin Laden, which would contradict the president's stance.
Further, they really didn't even go into the decision making process that Obama went through to eventually go with the raid, which is really where he shined in this whole thing and where portraying in the movie might've swayed an undecided (lol) voter.
This post was edited by Devils0720 18 months ago
I thought they included a lot of small, subtle details that were really cool. There was that scene with an unnamed senior CIA official kneeling on a prayer rug, and the real life head of the CIA's counterterrorism center is a converted muslim. I loved the small things like that.
no i agree. i can understand some republicans are upset that Obama/staff would allow access to the information the crew needed to get some details worked in ... but at the same time, liberals are upset about the torturing scenes/methods.
that's what i liked about this movie, it didn't force politics down one's throat (either side) like some certain channels/shows do (cough cough newsroom).
I agree that it wasn't really politically leaning but they also don't show all the things that the CIA did to make the detainees safe. (this doesn't come accross us good for hollywood). There were things like padded walls, or walls that make louder sounds when banged into. Some prisoners were open hand slapped but not suppose to be hard just to scare the prisoners. The whole interrogation program has 10 steps with water boarding being step 10. only 4 out of the hundreds of detainees ever went to step 10. And no enhanced interrogation lasted more than 30 days. Also as alluded to in the move, sometimes the information the terroists tried to hide is just as telling. (just play mafia on this board and you'll realize this)
The CIA is comprised of officers who are both democrat and republican. If anyone believes that these officers did not obtain meaningfull information from the enhanced interrogation techniques then you are a moron. Many of these officers worked 16 hour days 7 days a week for years after 9/11. To think that they would waste this much time on a program incredibly controvertial is asinine.
Its ironic that Obama gets the credit for killing Osama when most in the CIA who worked on capturing feel that his administration has thrown them under the bus and has made their jobs much more difficult by preventing them from performing the interrogation techniques needed. ( The shoe bomber is a prime example).
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