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meanwhile PG county becomes less and less of a liveable community with each passing condo building in previously ghetto areas inside the beltway.
I think PG has been a clear loser in the gentrification of the city. Mismanagement at the county level hasn't helped either. The Purple line can help and the Konterra project will be interesting to watch, but they have a lot of work to do to improve their planning.
You may think traffic wont be affected, however, when Walmart takes over where CiCi's Pizza and Bagel City is located, it will SUCK.
Thats the beauty of the place..did most all of my Xmas shopping there since it was so uncrowded vs other malls. Could always get a parking space behind the Bloomies mens dept.
This is so true. Park and Planning in MoCo is frustrating, but generally functional and organized. Park and Planning in PG County is a total cluster.
When are they going to level that shit hole that is lake forest mall?
Those timeframes are from the developers themselves I'll agree that it's entirely possible none of it happens, but I know for a fact that the first two phases of the Mid-Pike plaza are a go, the second phase of the JBG project is a go, and the next building on LCOR's site is going to happen. Everything beyond that is still planning and could very well take much longer to happen. There isn't going to be, at least not for the next few years, any problem with getting the residential/retails portions started. The commercial aspect is what's going to take time, but commercial space is a lesser portion to the redevelopment than the residential/retail. I do think, though, that once the residential/retail base gets built up - in say 3-5 years - that the commercial will soon follow, and pretty quickly at that.
Also, regarding the apartment/condo thing, the JBG building has far outpaced leasing expectations, which is why they're starting immediately on the second phase. The people living in U street/ Columbia Heights/etc. are a completely different market than those that would live in White Flint so it's fairly useless to compare the two and say that the markets overlap/are the same.
It sounds as though you have the inside information on this development, so I'll trust that these items are going to happen. It sounds like a cool project, so I'm excited to see it push forward. I still think developer timeframes are pretty useless more than 3-5 years in the future, but I'm excited to see this area get an upgrade, because it really needs it.
That's interesting that leasing has outpaced expectations. Do you know the demographics they are targeting? Is it DINKs, boomers, families?
I mean the thing is you're not just going to terminate an entire class of people. So as long as there is a lower class they're going to live somewhere. If they're forced out of the city they'll live in the county, and vice versa.
Boomers, empty nesters, retirees, etc. is where they've seen the best activity and it was actually somewhat unexpected by the developer.
As for Lake Forest Mall, terpdog, there are some provisions in the Gaithersburg master plan to redevelop the mall, but I honestly doubt that much, if any outside of Old Town, development takes place in Gaithersburg. Gaithersburg has some pretty onerous development requirements and actually building in Gaithersburg is a miserable experience so a lot of developers try to avoid the city completely. There is likely going to be an apartment start in the next 24 months next to the MARC parking garage at what is currently a barren strip of asphalt and there's some talk of the plot of land in front of the train station will get bought up and built in the next few years as well, but I think most are waiting to see how the Archstone project pans out before anything else happens.
The Post also had a great article a few weeks back about "infill" - the old inside-the-Beltway suburbs like Annandale and Wheaton, among others, where you can buy a house cheap, renovate the shit out of it and have a place close in to the city that's still good for a family. All part of the same process, I assume.
Annandale and Wheaton are big melting pots though, and Annandale is heavily Korean. Dont see many retirees wanting to move there.
How long has the library across from Lake Forest been closed for renovation? Three years?
Been out of the loop for a few months and forgot my password so I had to establish a new account. Sugar is right, the idea on paper is sound but it will end up being a mess since the county council is clueless. No need to build new schools since most of the people moving in won't have any kids. Don't worry about the traffic since everyone will work where the live so they can walk or ride a bike.
For the townhomes on Strathmore, they start around $950k and go up to as much as $1.4Mil.
Does not compute.
classlessthug: I have too much on my plate to worry about the fact that my junk intimidates some needle D undergrad.
Ouch. You can walk to Addie's at least.
Dr Rosensquared, check pm
If you haven't lived in Annandale-Lincolnia, you just haven't lived.
since when is wheaton inside the beltway?
DC suburbs really are focusing on building high density right around metro stations. It's interesting that there hasn't been any fight against that by the residents of those areas. It's in stark contrast to Baltimore, where there has been a small push for transit oriented development but communities are very much against it. Baltimore obviously doesn't have nearly the same mass transit system in place as DC, but there are areas where such high density development would make sense. They are trying it with Owings Mills, but it really doesn't have anywhere near the high density development that one finds around DC metro stations.
Columbia doesn't have a transit line but that city/town certainly could use more high density. Towson is another city that comes to mind.
Could we ever see Columbia with a mass transit station for both DC metro and Baltimore's subway system, in my lifetime? (i'm 27 and healthy, so call it next 50 years)
“Route 1, where everybody meets.” ~Nick Faust #5
I'm not representative of the big money Boomers, but why on earth would Baby Boomers want to move into the city? My inclination, as someone within 10 years of retirement, is to get as far away as possible, and only come into 'the city' when I have to (for a show, or whatever).
Living cheek by jowl at an older age just isn't that appealing, imo.
I'm involved in the Mechanical & Electrical trades for all construction sites in Mont. County. At this moment by my count here are the following Apt./Condo's being built in MoCo.
Silver Spring has Ripley Street: (2) 17 to 19 story luxury apt./condos' all concrete construction.
Galaxy Apt. Stick frame job, about 12 floors.
The Heritage is still moving dirt, but this will be a luxury Apt./complex right off of Georgia Ave.
One other Apt/condos' just starting in Silver Spring, but the name espaces me right now.
Bethesda currently has the Monty just now starting. About 17 to 19 stories, small footprint, but all concrete. Another luxury apt/condo will be starting soon in Bethesda, but can't remember the name.
Wheaton has the new Safeway Apt. complex, just moving dirt right now. Will be considered a luxury Apt./condo complex.
Gaithersburg has the aformentioned Arch Stone (wood frame), and also Hidden Creek(wood frame).
Rockville has Upper Rock, right off of Shady Grove Rd, and 270. (wood frame). Maybe considered a G-Burg address?
Lot's of tennant space being added in Mont. County right now some some considered high end, some not.
This post was edited by terpfan1 2 years ago
The Upper Rock development is a Rockville address.
There are like 7-10 starts lined up for the next 6-9 months that I know of, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are quite a few more in the immediate pipeline.
Is the Monty the one that is under construction on a site sitting between Fairmont and St. Elmo Avenues? I see the construction out of my office window. They appear to be nearly complete with the excavation of the four levels of underground parking. I expect the scaffolding to start up soon.
There are plans likely to be approved for construction of another multi-story residential/ground level retail building, caddy-corner to this building, on the site of Foong Lin and Haandi.
This post was edited by goterps 2 years ago
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