In partnership with CBSSports.com
Online Now 464
Online now 743 Record: 11761 (2/27/2012)
The Web's No. 1 forum for coverage and discussion of Terps sports
Visitor discussion of University of Maryland and college sports
A place for lively discussion for all other sports unrelated to Maryland athletics
Feedback for IMS and 247Sports
You have no favorite boards.
The most viewed topics.
The most replied to topics.
The most up-voted topics.
The most down-voted topics.
The most up-voted posters.
The most down-voted posters.
The most followed posters.
No disrespect to Kunu, but I'd be wary of his son's experience translating well for your daughter. Boys are motivated by standing out and being the go-to player. Girls want to fit in. Generally speaking, girls are much better served when challenged to be part of the group as opposed to trying to achieve top gun status.
From what you're describing, her surroundings on her rec team would serve to discourage her more than anything. If she wants to be a good soccer player and she enjoys getting better, I would do whatever I could to get her training with the travel team.
It's one season, 2-3 months. Making sure that she's prepared for her freshman year of HS should outweigh her immediate desire to play in games on a shit team. Assuming, of course, that HS soccer is her goal.
What club do you coach for? I don't really have an issue with top teams forcing kids to only play soccer. Or, at least, make it such that there is never a priority over soccer. In my opinion, that's less of a money thing and more of a wanting a fully committed group. Club soccer costs a lot of money and with the expenses come expectations, so coaches should be right to demand top priority over other sports/activities.
High school is def garbage in most cases, so I understand and advocate top clubs telling kids that HS soccer is not allowed. They'll get plenty of exposure playing for club so that should not be a factor.
I think there is a program out there for virtually everyone. But the top clubs (Bays, Bethesda, etc.) should be allowed to run things the way that they want. Plenty of kids only want to play soccer and plenty of kids only want to play with the best so that they can be the best.
I don't coach a club team, I coach a U10 girls travel team out of a Baltimore County rec council that plays in the CMSA. The club I was referring to was the Bays. I don't necessarily have a problem with specific clubs dictating what level of commitment they require. It is more a commentary on sports culture in general, that we are forcing kids to choose one sport when they are 11-12 years old - at that age they should be encouraged to try multiple sports to broaden their experience and make them better all around athletes. It's easy to get caught up in though, unless your kid is a super, super athlete, they can easily fall behind.
It's the same with lacrosse and probably basketball too. There are obviously clubs out there that have the athlete's best interest in mind, but there are many that are motivated financially as well. I volunteer to coach - I spend many hours per week coaching sometimes multiple teams. I see how easy it would be to make some money off of it.
Basically all of my ranting is about the way sports is going in this country as a whole.
kickin' the tires
Yes soccer is not unique to forcing kids to differentiate and focus on one sport early at the top levels. Gymnastics has always been this way out of necessity when your daughter goes right from school and spends 3:30- 7 in the gym 5 days a week and 4 hours on Saturday. Baseball and softball here in North Carolina are absurd with 8 year-old girls teams going to tournaments in Arizona and i dont even want to mention the ridiculous BS of AAU. HS soccer here is very good and the club teams dont play in the Spring so those girls play on their high school teams in the spring.
I've talked to her on the phone once and it did not go well.
Specializing at such a young age is starting to get a lot of negative pub from lots of different interested parties. It seems that experts agree that participating in multiple sports, not necessarily all at the highest levels, improves both cognitive and overall physical abilities. OTOH, specializing at an early age can have a range of negative effects both emotionally and physically. Some kids burn out and lose the desire to play that sport and then they are so far behind in others they decide not to participate even socially for fear of ridicule. Even worse, there are increasing cases of orthopedic issues arising from repetitive stress injuries since these kids don't take any time off from their given sport. I mentioned the fact that my son was just diagnosed with Little League Shoulder which is trauma to the growth plate in his arm. It's a result of playing both house and travel ball in both the spring and fall. Add to that winter workouts and summer all-stars and it's just too much. Now we're looking at having to shut it down completely for three months and he's devastated.
Not a jack ass. I am a 4 star poster on RCMB - spartanfan48413
My 5-year-old son is about as bad at sports (compared to his peers) as his dad was, so I'm considering myself lucky that I won't have to put up with this.
LOL Tim Duncan never played basketball until he was 14 after a hurricane destroyed the pool his swim club practiced in. I'll take the sprains, strains, broken bones, ups and downs my kids and I have had anyday rather than have them crack their skull with retarded skateboard tricks or find them fapping on the internet with a vaccum cleaner hose while chatting with a 48 year-old dude on adult friend finder at 3AM.
My son got recruited from a Howard County rec team to play with a SAC travel club.
There were so many practices both on and off season that wasn't really any time to play anything else. Indoor season game nights were Friday and Saturday (thanks, coach!).
When they won State Cup in 1999, the regionals were in Erie, PA. There were so few hotels we had to stay in Warrenton, Ohio; 90 minutes away. Yep, game time is at 9, be there by 8, leave by 6. Good times.
They got bounced out of the regionals and we couldn't wait to get home. The following year, LittleTerp played in a C division league with his friends and then went on to high school which was much more fun; I didn't have to do any driving.
I found that the universal reason for dedication to the premiere club lifestyle was the belief that it would lead to a college scholarship. I recognized early on that my kid wasn't dedicated enough for that so we enjoyed the experience and then got out of it.
If a kid isn't athletic enough for Tee Ball he's probably not going to be a skateboarder.
Shut it down. I speak from experience.
This is correct. Once the team is playing and has moved on withou your daughter, address the issue with the commissioner again. Explain that your daughter is heading to high school and hopes to try out for the team. Based on the practices of the travel team being more beneficial to improving your daughter's skills and the fact things got off on the wrong foot with the Rec coach, your daughter was no enjoying her experience with the Rec team. Since this is supposed to be about the kids and what s best for them, I hope you will reconsider your decision in light of the fact that the Rec team is clearly functioning fine without your daughter.
When my oldest was 8, they changed travel coaches. After the tryout, he was selected for the team (he had been playing travel since he was 6 - I knew nothing about soccer and he was recruited by a classmate's dad based on recess, I guess). this dad was now an asst coach. The new head coach then asked to speak to me. He asked if I was willing to sign something that my son would give soccer first priority year round and attend a summer camp (which he had a financial interest in). I told him I could not sign that. My son was eight years old and liked a lot of different sports. He told me that if I couldn't commit, my son could be on the team. I said fine. That night, I got a call from the asst coach saying to just sign and I wouldn't have to abide by it. I refused. Then they took him anyway. He had a great fall season. The winter worked out and he only missed 1 indoor game. In the spring, he was able to make 1 (of 2) practices per week and all games. After the 3rd games, despite the team being undefeated and him leading the team in goals, he was removed from the starting lineup and moved to defense (the same thing happened to another baseball player who was missing a practice per week). My son didn't enjoy the coach or the team nearly as much. He did not attend the camp due to a conflict. The following
year, a similar conversation took place. This time, my son and another player decline the invite to the "A" team and asked to play "B". The next year, 4 kid's from the original team signed up for football, my son included. A year later, the 7 best athletes from that team had all left soccer due to a lunatic coach, who wanted them to give up baseball, lax, basketball and wrestling all before middle school. This was almost 10 years ago. It's only gotten worse.
Spot on. Changing sports and developing different muscles is great for kids. They need a break while they are growing so fast. Let them specialize when they get to high school.
Assuming my kid is as bad at sports as his parents, we'll never have to worry about travel teams. He can spend time hanging out in right field and batting 8th on the lamest rec team in the league, just like his old man.
Both of my kids played on Club teams, and I guess we were lucky because their coaches always encouraged them to play other sports as well, with the understanding that if there was a conflict Soccer came first. I don't understand how a rec coach/league can tell you that your child can't play club. I coached both of my kids in rec and they both played club from the time they were 8 until High School. They were usually the best players on the field in rec, so I would generally play them at positions different from what they played in club, and if a kid was going to be shorted playing time it was going to be my kid. One of the rec leagues here had such a problem with rec coaches recruiting club players that they finally had to pass a rule prohibiting club players from playing in the league. I had a decent team with some talented kids, but it got to the point that come game time my son would point out the starting players on the other team and tell me what club team they played on. The club players on this team would only come out if this team was up by ten or more goals. Yes, the coach was a douchebag.
There is a movement around here to try and get the high school club players to not play for their high school team. My sons high school coach was an idiot, and my son didn't get squat from him, but there's something about putting on the uniform for your school that can't be matched by club and I'm glad my son played high school soccer as well as club.
This is what I meant. He loves to play baseball, soccer, and he wants to play basketball. I just meant dealing with travel teams. But who knows? I stunk and I got to play on a few travel teams just because they needed bodies. Of course, it really sucked when there were 10 kids on the team, and I got to see the field for maybe 10 innings all season. I still stay up at night crying about that.
It happened alright. Segregation.
Yes, I do live in a rural area.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by hokthu 20 months ago
ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!
My goal for my daughter has always been for her play a sport of her choice and for her to maximize her potential. She is on track to play high school soccer and nothing that happens in the next 3 months is going to change that. I think organized sports teach a lot about life in the real world as you really are part of an organization and have a role to play that hopefully benefits the organization as a whole. While the decision is disappointing, it's no different than having a boss that sucks or a CEO who makes a bad decision that adversely affects you. Learning to adjust to the hand you are dealt has it's rewards to.
"Hello, sir. This is Chris Hansen from Dateline NBC. Did you know the girl you were talking to online was only 12. We have the whole transcript here."
247Sports In partnership with CBS Sports