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I'm going to try to make this short. My daughter is in her 9th year of playing rec league co-ed soccer, currently u14. She has always been a little above average in the rec league, think 6.5 out of 10. This season she showed up for her 1st practice and her team is awful. Many 11 year olds, and a few heavy, slow 13 year olds. Add in the fact that she's in 9th grade (freshman) and half of her team is in 6th (1st year middle school) and it's just a bad fit.
She's been asked numerous times throughout the years to play travel soccer but I've always declined because 1, I'm a bad parent and 2, she's an average player who usually has all she can handle playing rec. So she asks me after the 1st practice if we can check into travel and I tell her yes as we both felt awkward after the 1st practice. I contacted the travel coach and she tells me to bring her out so she can evaluate where she is at. After 2 practices the travel coach tells me she can use her. I tell her rec coach that she has decided to play travel and he say's my daughter can't do that as she has already committed to rec. He calls the league president and blocks her from moving to the travel team saying her departure would leave his team depleted with only 15 players. The league president backs the rec coach. Keep in mind the season just started and she has only been to 1 rec practice.
I know it sucks to lose a player but I'm pissed the rec coach is holding my daughter back. If she was a little above average on this rec team the transition to travel would not be an option because like I said, I'm a bad parent. But this team really sucks. Think someone who has played tennis for 9 years practicing each week with someone who just picked up a racket. When I coached I encouraged kids who stood out to pursue travel. Don't think this is about her playing on a losing team as she has played on 3 teams over the years who did not win a game so she is used to getting waxed. Also, the travel team she would be moving to is in its 1st year so I doubt they will be taking home any trophies.
Also of importance, the rec coach dyes his hair blond, where's a matching necklace, ring and bracelet, and uses a lot of cologne.
If your U14 is 7 on 7 like mine, I think the "depleted" comment is BS. 12, 13, 14, 15 not that much difference. Coach is being a little dictator.
We play 11, full size field.
I'm not sure how a rec league coach and president have any say over a traveling league. Either way those two are being dbags.
How can they block you? It's not the fucking EPL. Just leave.
I have no clue about youth soccer, but I can speak to my experience in other sports (granted I live in another part of the country). Ask around to see what the rules are for whatever governing body represents both the rec team and the travel team. A lot of sports in different states have a no-recruiting rule where other clubs can't swoop on other club's players during the season. Granted, I understand this really is "apples to oranges" in your situation.
Point blank if there is a no-recruiting rule, it is the existing club's discretion on whether or not to allow your kid to leave the team. In a perfect world, the club is looking for your daughter's best interests in developing. But, the club also looks at what suits the club - either financially, or logistically (having enough players, commitment of those players, etc.).
I'm kind of surprised the travel club wasn't more coy in helping you find a way around those rules.
Also, if the issue is participation, you could always try to find a replacement player. It kind of forces the rec team's hand, by changing the logic (why block a move, when there is now the same amount of participation, yada yada yada).
Is the travel team affiliated with the rec league in some way? I'm not at all familiar with soccer but if it works like my son's travel baseball team, she'd have to play both. My son's travel organization has a charter from Dulles Little League so to play on the travel team, we must play house league also (spring only). Some travel teams in this district are breaking away from their respective little leagues however to avoid this. It really ends up hurting the kids (pitchers especially) to be forced to do both. But in soccer, why can't she play both?
On a not very related note, my son went to the orthopedist today because of some pain in his shoulder. Apparently he has a problem with the growth plate due to overuse and the Dr. is telling me to shut him down for the entire fall season. Not sure if I should let him play the season and wait til the winter layoff to shut it down or take his advice. I guess I'm a bad parent also.
Not a jack ass. I am a 4 star poster on RCMB - spartanfan48413
This thread represents everything wrong with America (not you, the coach/league). Why the hell should a kid not be able to do what's in her best interests?
If she is good and in 9th grade, why not try out for the HS team?
Once you are in HS you should be playing on the HS team.
To answer a few questions, the travel team and the rec team are under the same governance. I know of 3 other kids in a different age group(u11) who are making the exact move my daughter is asking for and have been granted permission by the league to make the move. The league pres told me it's the league discretion and moves are looked at individually. Since the other teams were not left short, those requests were granted.
My daughter will try out for her high school team in the spring.
Isn't soccer a fall sport though?
I believe Virginia plays in the Spring.
Another piece is that the travel coach offered my daughter an opportunity to practice with her team which we will take advantage of. The problem is, the teams practice at the same time. I told her rec coach that we planned on attending one practice for each team to which he replied "The kids who show commitment by attending practice will get the most time. Her commitment needs to be with rec".
I understand that you prick, it's not like my daughter will be missing practice to take a nap.
Yup. Our culture has done a remarkable job at taking the most fun thing a kid can do (playing sports) and turned into a giant mess.
Also, the league does have a no recruiting rule but in my daughters case it was she who sought out the move, the travel team did not seek her out.
this is what i'm picturing for the coach
And because this is the Suque, I'll attempt to get a pic tomorrow of her rec coach to provide some insight as to what we are up against.
so if shes not going to show up to practice, and consequently he's not going to play her, then what exactly is he holding out for? The award for Biggest Douche in a Supporting Role from the Academy of Girls Soccer Coaches?
I thought he bitched that he couldn't field a team without her, now he's threatening to bench her?
I'd tell the rec coach that she'll be going to all the travel practices and if that is going to be a problem for his team, it might be in his best interests to let her change teams.
Tell him she will score for the other team every time he plays her and he's going to have to play her because the 'league rules' that he's so hung up on dictate that everyone play. And that he's the biggest dick on the planet for keeping a kid from an opportunity to play travel ball because of his own stupid misplaced pride. Also let him know you're going to let every parent of every kid know that he is the last person in the league that they want to have coach their kid.
My current plan is to yank her mid game if he plays her less than half of the 1st half. I've also considered asking him before their 1st game if she has practiced enough to earn her a 1/2 game playing time. If he answers no, we will no show. The dude must have some ego, I'm not trying to brag but my daughter is his best player, and as I said, she's just a little above average. It's more a testament of how bad the team is.
This post was edited by hokthu 20 months ago
Figures. This coach is being a douchenozzle. I'd almost consider boycotting their games altogether, provided she's improving in practice with the travel club. It's the only way you can get the leverage back, that the rec club realizes she's lost (not ability wise, but no longer will be an option for the rec club).
What part of Virginia do you live in? Why can't you look into another nearby club? And what club are you currently dealing with?
Obviously, it's complete bullshit what they're trying to do. If you're concerned about what's best for your daughter, tell the rec coach to go fuck himself, and have her practice with the travel team all Fall. It will prepare her much better for HS. If your daughter really is the best player on a shitty team, I'd be willing to bet that, after awhile, the dickhead coach will make an exception.
There's absolutely no benefit to having her practice with the rec team, so don't do that. I'd try to make it apparent to the president how much of a cock sucker he's being. 15 players for 11 aside is plenty. It's not a lot, but it's most certainly adequate. The standard roster size for a u14 team is anywhere from 14-18.
Anyway, if you're forced to choose between practicing w/ the travel team and not playing in games vs. practicing and playing with the rec team, I promise you that the correct decision is to have her practice with the travel team. 100 times out of 100.
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