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in alaska there's a law on two-lane roads where if there's a line of at least 5 cars behind you, you have to pull over to let them pass.
Phatboy if you had any balls I'd meet you at the AFA Boxing gym and have Coach Weichers put some gloves on us.
It's possible things have changed since I lived over there, but to get a German license, you had to take a class as well as a ridiculous driving test that's basically impossible to pass the first time you take it. Even if you drive perfectly, you'll fail for some stupid reason. As an example, I had a friend fail for taking a hand off the steering wheel during a turn. As in, taking one hand and putting it over the other one to continue turning the wheel. She was told she was supposed to keep both hands on the wheel at all times.
The cost of the class + test when I was over there was about DM 3,000 ($2100-$2400 during my time there). I assume they had some sort of hardship waiver for the cost for people who couldn't afford that, but I don't know. I was too young to care about stuff like poor people.
The written exam is also much more difficult than our version.
Is public transportation more rare in the US because we made it so easy for someone to get their license? I don't know, just asking. Obviously, bus and rail springs up where there's demand. Make it more of a privilege to drive and there's more public options.
This post was edited by JJBittenbinder 13 months ago
Im ready for aa 5th of vodica to end my feels.
exactly correct. One person is breaking the law in both situations--the 100 mph driver. The idiot soccer mom in the left lane is deciding to add a second criminal to the circumstance.
Also, the "no passing on the left" is so much more a part of European culture than it is here. Some countries (looking at you, Germany) are way more disciplined than others about it (Greece), but even in a place like Italy, where drivers are often regarded as crazy, you just don't see hovering in the left lane like you do here. It would take a significant culture shift for any law like that to work here.
In my experience, "no passing on the left" is far more commonly exercised in non-urban/suburban environments. In places that have a lot of traffic, it's more of a "fuck all these idiots I'm going to do whatever" approach.
I believe it is Finland, but some Scandanavian country has extremely difficult licensing requirements in so far as you have to take actual classes and tests on car control. As in, you have to be able to demonstrate you can correct your car if it goes into a skid. Pretty sure in MD you just need a laughable drivers ed course, and then everyone's parents signs off on the fact that they drove for like 20 hours with them (when they probably didn't).
It's still a 6 week class which is the main portion of the cost. It's a couple thousand Euros to do. I don't think there are any "hardship" waivers but I could be wrong. It is definitely viewed as a privilege and not a right of passage like it is here. A lot of kids don't get there licenses until they're done with college.
Found this snippet on DUI laws:
In Germany, the amount of BAC determines the punishment of the offender in terms of the time a license is suspended and the amount an offender is fined, and the fines are very steep and exceed those of Stateside DUI punishments. The fines are an average of $800 to $2,000. License suspensions administered from the German government are an average six to 12 months. However, once an offender is found under the influence after the initial testing, their license is immediately suspended until the official punishment has been administered to the offender by the court system
Fact is, with the public transportation system that they have, if you drive after drinking, you deserve any punishment coming you're way.
Stateside DUI/DWI punishments are a joke.
This is great. We need more enforcement of this here, honestly this is a much bigger safety hazard than someone speeding on open road.
It's about the size of the country. The US isn't connected like Europe is.
Plus, demographically, I believe a much higher percentage of Europeans live in or near urban areas. The US has a lot more rural area and a higher rural population that is simply not worth connecting via public transport.
No doubt this is the case. Take Germany, you have 80 cities with over 100,000 people (not counting suburban towns) in a country the size of Georgia and Florida.
"Higher rural population" at a certain point stops being rural.
Seriously, though, I understand. We can't really compare situations because of the major differences in size and geography.
That said, for newer urban centers like DC, public transport has taken a back seat for what reason? Because we made it cheap and easy to own a car. No reason we shouldn't have been developed with a greater significance put to public transportation. Instead, huge swaths of land are zoned for 12 lane highways.
if forced to choose, i'd rather have a car
Also, at least in DC regarding public transportation, you have at least 4 different political entities (DC, Fed, MD state, VA state) that have to work together as well as the various local governments. That set up makes it literally impossible to accomplish anything.
And in general in the US no one wants to pay for the infrastructure required for public transportation.
I'd love if the US had a quality and practical (inexpensive) rail system. Just based on my trip to Spain last year, rail travel was a great way to get around. Flew into Madrid and it was cheap as hell to get trains to Cordoba, Seville, and down to the Med coast. Nice trains too. I've considered trains for going up to NYC before, but it costs as much or more than a flight, and driving is fairly easy anyway.
I thought md joined NJ in passing a law that said "left lane is a passing lane. If you are not actively passing vehicles, you must move over" or something like that.
According to the summary I linked earlier in the thread, MD's law is "If driving 10 MPH under speed limit, or slower than speed of traffic if conditions require speed below limit. SB 701 would require vehicles in the left lane to give way to faster traffic."
I don't think the issues are with the laws, just that they are rarely enforced.
Yeah, I'm not saying I don't love my car...just saying it isn't as easy as saying that the size of our country is our undoing. Case in point -- the train to Philly and NYC is great and would be completely viable with the right infrastructure. When you factor in security lines and everything else, I get to NYC faster than someone flying and I'm dropped off in far more central location. However, I only ever use it for work (mostly due to driving being cheaper). Rail travel has just taken a back seat because people have more or less been given their cars as rights and not privileges.
It's not like our local governments aren't battling over how to pay for roads either.
The typical German driver has far more training and overall preparation before licensed.
From the link:
"....The worst case Führeschein scenario is having to take a full driving course, like young German drivers do. "To get a regular driver's license," Christine explains, "you have to take 14 theory classes and at least 12 driving lessons. Driving schools usually offer them twice a week, so that takes about seven weeks. Depending on how quickly you learn, it can be done in about three months; but it usually takes longer, because of holidays and so forth. You start with the classroom sessions, and then move on to the driving portion, taking them in parallel so you learn the rules and also how to apply them." How many driving lessons you'll need to take depends on how quickly you learn. With 12 as the minimum, and 50 on the high end, the full licensing course can cost between EUR 1000-2000..."
I drove the Autobahn several times as was able to comfortably drive at about 140 km/hr, or about 94 mph, beyond that I ws not comfortable with my reaction time. Amazingly, you would see a front headlight blinking a distance behind you, and even going 94 mph, a car would pass me like I was sitting still...
Getting a German driving license can be tricky for expats, but Jeff and Karen Smith had done their homework, and they were on top of it
But suppose you want to drive the Romantische Straße...?
Use of a car is mandatory for any vacationer wishing to see sites not on the public grid and with the time frame restrictions of a vacation.
This post was edited by tagterp 13 months ago
Trains are a ridiculous means of long term public transportation in the US compared to buses. The growth of bus companies (Megabus, etc) compared to the excruciatingly slow death of Amtrak, plus its subsidies show that clearly.
This post was edited by SATerp 13 months ago
Personally I think they should test a variable speed limit on major roads that depends on traffic/weather conditions. Nothing outlandish like 90 MPH but there's no reason to criminalize reasonable driving when when the roads are empty and conditions are good.
Yeah, it's religion up here. It was hard to get used to, but it makes for better road trips when most people adhere to it.
As a refugee from the DMV, I hate to say this. The only worse sight on the highway than a car with Maryland plates is a car with Virginia plates. Whenever there's a slug in the left lane, it's almost always one of those.
ETA: In all the years I've been up here I've rarely seen the cops enforce this. They don't need to. It's just ingrained in most drivers. It's not really about any particular speed, or how many cars your passing. It's just that people know to get the hell out of the left lane when somebody's coming up behind you. And stay over there until you need make a move.
This post was edited by Jersyterrafirma 13 months ago
This is an old commercial I only remember seeing a hand full of times, but this thread brought back the memory of seeing it.
Left-lane loungers are worse than Hitler.
If you are in the left lane, you should either be passing someone on your right or traveling with no vehicle directly behind you. If there is someone behind you, get the hell over to the right lane.
What people don't realize is a little common sense can help traffic flow. A lot of our infrastructure issues are caused by stupid driving.
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