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I was wondering about the VA.
Also there should be some sort of sliding scale or extra time credited to the 20 for combat stuff. And if his body is in as bad a shape as that article claims, medical retirement should be a possibility.
I also think they could easily park these guys in a cushy job for a couple years to let them fully qualify.
The writer's claim about it making it a "different article" are laughable. It makes it an accurate article. That's an embarrassment.
Yeah. Awful typo.
Im ready for aa 5th of vodica to end my feels.
Clearly the system is broken. How can you expect someone to continue killing for 20 years in order to receive a pension? Yet some overweight clown sitting behind a desk on a base in North Carolina receives the same pension after 20 years. Seems to me that each year you are in a war zone you should receive two years towards your pension. Maybe the armed services don't want to lose these guys so quickly, however not giving him any pension credit after 16 years is beyond absurd.
my uncle recently passed in a VA hospital in martinsburg, va. all of my family who have medical experience raved about the quality of care. i wasn't really expecting that and found it encouraging.
Neither of them should get pensions. Problem solved.
These guys make fairly good money. People like to point at salary figures, but those figures often don't include any of the housing allowances which are right at $1k per month along with some others. None of the SEAL guys I know are hurting at all and spend money at a stupid rate, both at Little Creek and Dam Neck.
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FWIW, the VA is massively backlogged, overworked, and understaffed. They're dealing with the claims of literally millions of veterans going back to Pearl Harbor. You have the aging veteran populations from 3 major wars with increasing medical needs (and claims) and now the incoming younger vets in need of assistance because of the current war. And in a few weeks, their budgets are all going to get hit, which is going to stress the system more.
Seriously? $60,000 plus another $12,000 for housing is good money for protecting your country? For the physical and psychological damage that will last the rest of your life? For being put in harms way countless times? For spending 300 days a year away from your kids and wife? You clearly have low expectations of how much you'll expect to make in your career.
You're a dumbass!
Wow. This is NOT roomy!
We don't need to be thinking about how we get the Team 6 guys special treatment, as much as they may deserve it.
We should be thinking about a much better system for transitioning all of those who serve in combat back into civilian life. The retired general who said in the article that America is the best in the world at transitioning someone from civilian to military life, and the worst at transitioning them back - that's what we need to fix.
This post was edited by gocaps1 14 months ago
This. I make way more in my pathetic desk job than the dudes in SEAL Team 6. That's ridiculous.
The article also says that they receive bonuses for special missions. Who knows how much that is.
He may have been responsible for killing the biggest target in US history, but to give him special treatment for being in the number 2 position during that mission is wrong. There are hundreds of Seals putting their lives on the line right now in more dangerous situations, making the world a safer place without us even knowing about it. If you want to give special benefits to this man, you need to do it for everyone, and I don't know how that works out.
That being said, he should absolutely be provided protection from our Country because he and his family are targets. IMO, that isn't special treatment. Any Seal whose name gets leaked and becomes a target needs to be protected. You allow something to happen to a Seals kids because of what he did on a mission and all of a sudden you have considerably fewer people applying to be Seals.
You are my new least favorite poster.
No. This is jtp's doing. He's kept me around for his bizarre HOF resume.
Agree with this, except how many "more dangerous situations" can there be than storming a house believed to be wired for detonation and defended by people willing to suicidally sacrifice themselves for the target's protection?
Based on what was said in the article, storming into a house they believe could be wired for detonation and defended by people willing to suicidally sacrifice themselves seems like it was the norm. How many SEALS did he mention dying that in that article? I imagine what they saw was far more dangerous than in the mission to take out Bin Laden.
My point is that everyday they seem to be doing the most dangerous of missions, so it's really unfair to single one person out for participating in a high profile dangerous mission. And props to the guy who was in the number 1 position (I assume he's the one who wrote the book). Whether or not he actually shot Bin Laden, the fact that he tackled two people he believed had suicide vests on to allow someone else to get the shot is amazingly ballsy.
Amazing article, thank you so much for posting it.
...because it is a good place to start!
Meanwhile the Defense Department wastes tens of millions on cost over runs with EVERY project they attempt, not to mention lying about WMD and invading a Country and the massive increased costs to the VA to care for these additional woundeds.
In a fair world, W should be living under a bridge and all his wealth confiscated to help pay for the injuries incurred for Iraq.
This post was edited by tagterp 14 months ago
Yes we do need to think about Seal Team Six, and it should be done by Americans through a qualified trust. It is a starting place, other should follow. The Federal Bureaucracy, despite its good intentions, is simply not able to get assistance to those who need help now.
BTW, this is not a new concept as The Wounded Warrior Project is just such a privately funded org designed to help those maimed in the service of their Country; there are many others. The same concept is found in first responder funds to assist fallen police and firefighters's surviving families, especially educating their children.
Not really. I've got a brother in law and a couple lifelong friends that are in the SEALS. I'm not saying they are breaking the bank, but the "average salary" you read online isn't all that accurate. Those guys don't get into it for the money and I think it does a better job of getting people that actually can make it through what they do as a reason for that.
I stand by the fact on no pensions. These guys have some great options when leaving the SEALS with or without holding a weapon in their hands. Maybe my experiences have jaded me a bit, but I've got a little bit of background to my thoughts more than reading an article online.
Just Team 6? What about all the other special ops and black ops guys and frontline military personnel? How do you draw the line between who deserves a trust and who doesn't? The Team 6 guys are special but they aren't the only ones putting their lives, physical health, and mental health at risk in service to our country.
As an aside, Wounded Warrior Project is the Susan G Komen of military charities. Great name, great marketing, lousy charity. There are many military charities, like Fisher House, that are far more deserving of people's money.
No offense, but there isn't a charitable organization in America that could deal with providing what the VA does for vets. You're looking at providing an array of resources and assistance, not to mention physical and mental health services, to tens of millions of people ranging in age from 25 to 95.
I was golfing with a buddy yesterday who peddles his wares to the fed and deals with alot of ex military guys. I said that I couldn't imagine these Seals not being able to get fantastic jobs on the outside, they'd all make killer salesmen. He said that to get in the seals they have to have perfectly normal psycological profiles, but when they leave they have just the oposiite.
So someone else is disputing his account:
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