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This is pretty much how I feel. Not really sure what his gripe is.
No. This is jtp's doing. He's kept me around for his bizarre HOF resume.
For what it's worth, I think this is a problem that exists, to varying degrees, across the military spectrum (i.e., not just elite seals).
Speaking from my own very limited experience, I have a huge soft spot for former military folks and try to help in various little ways. When it comes to employment, I personally view a military background as a plus. But in some of cases where I've seen (or tried to help) former military members obtain employment, there has been a huge difference of opinion on how these folks are viewed by the private sector (even among those people who greatly value/respect those who have served).
One hurdle I consistently see is the vast number of employers who think that those who were in the military, especially those who have put in some years, simply cannot work happily in the corporate/private sector ... in large part, this is based on a belief that the more successful you are in the military, the more you will be averse to taking orders from people who might be younger/less accomplished. Put differently, these are people who have accomplished a lot and seen some of the worst (and best) that humanity has to offer. Are they really going to be able to come back and sit in some office and take orders from some kid in his 20s or some middle management? I think many people think the answer is no. I think that attitude limits a lot of people who want to switch careers completely, thus limiting post-military options to some related field like private security/defense consulting etc.
I think we had a tough time getting that CIA contractor released after he killed two Paks. Some have in the media have speculated that the Paks killed were ISI officers working along the Talibs.
Wow. This is NOT roomy!
Fair enough. Although I think the underlying point isn't that he deserves "different treatment because he shot bin laden." I think the underlying point is that he deserves "better treatment because of the manner in which he served our country."
Shut up commie
By the way, at least a few anecdotes in that story literally made me burst out laughing. This was one of them:
One of the snipers who'd seen the disabled helo approached just before they went into the main building. He said, "Hey, dude, they've got an awesome mock-up of our helo in their yard." I said, "No, dude. They shot one of ours down." He said, "Okay, that makes more sense than the shit I was saying."
This made me LOL:
""One of the tests is they make you dive to the bottom of a pool and tie five knots," the Shooter says. "One guy got to the fifth knot and blacked out underwater. We pulled him up and he was, like, dead. They made the class face the fence while they tried to resuscitate him. The first words as he spit out water were 'Did I pass? Did I tie the fifth knot?' The instructor told him, 'We didn't want to find out if you could tie the knots, you asshole, we wanted to know how hard you'd push yourself. You killed yourself. You passed.'"
I think the solution is that certain military positions have to be treated different in terms of pay, length of service, etc.
The details of that would be horrific.
Such a great article, and a reason to use some downvotes in this thread.
Loved this short exchange:
On the third floor, there were two chicks yelling at us and the point man was yelling at them and he said to me, "Hey, we need to get moving. These bitches is getting truculent."
lol, I laughed reading the tail end of this post. I picture...
McRaven: Mr. President, we need to plan for what happens if the Pakistans do respond to our presence.
Obama: What are the options Admiral?
McRaven: In speaking with other senior advisors, we were thinking we'd hole up and wait for the Vice President to negotiate the terms of our release. We understand this may take some time and are prepared to go that route.
Obama: Biden? Jesus no. Shoot your way out.
This sounds about right.
I don't know that we're negotiating per se, but I know we're now condemning the detainment of the Pakistani doctor the CIA used to try and obtain DNA from the compound before the raid. From all accounts that poor guy didn't even know he was being used. And hell it was a dual purpose thing anyway. The guy got to pursue his passion of setting up clinics and bankrolled to do it. Everyone benefitted but OBL. It basically sucks to be that guy (unless his fortunes have changed). I believe the guy didn't know why we funded him outta the blue given how secret this whole thing was. But after the raid Pakistan is probably so paranoid they're erring on the side of being assholes.
Almost pissed myself reading that. If one little anecdote could describe the mentality of the SEALS, this would probably be it.
I thought the article focused on how one would transition from this occupation and live a "normal" life, working the M-F 9-5 grind, after a decade or so of adrenaline-fueled life-threatening missions spent entirely with fellow soldiers. The physical and emotional tolls are already evident, and the fact he is leaving his unit and his family is crumbling will only serve to weaken his support structure. Add in the financial and secrecy constraints, plus the concern for the well-being of you and your family, and I can see where his situational could become overwhelming. These guys don't have the financial security or built-in support structure of pro athletes, who also seem to struggle with this type of transition.
He definitely does deserve different treatment because he shot bin Laden.
We listened to the Al Qaeda phone calls where one guy is saying, "We gotta find out who ratted on bin Laden." The other guy says, "I heard he did it to himself. He was locked up in that house with three wives." Funny terrorists.
Oh yes he does. He risked his life to kill the biggest enemy America has ever had (other than obesity).
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"Hey, did you hear the one about the Jew dog and the evil American satan scum that walk into a bar? No? Ok, here it goes...shoot, my camel is on empty, I'll call you later"
it could have been anyone else on that mission who got the kill shot. they all risked just as much as he did. i doubt anyone in the military would support just one guy getting special treatment regardless of the importance of the target.
They probably all deserve some extra special treatment, but the threat to the shooter and his family are deserving of special treatment for the rest of his life.
If we can protect scumbag mobsters who turn on their bosses, i think we can find a way to keep this guys family safe, without forcing him to deliver beer in Milwaukee.
I think all of them should get special treatment. The shit these guys in particular do for your freedom is well worth a pension or bonus or house or whatever they want.
His "life choices" took down the most wanted criminal terrorist in the world. For me that was a good choice for the Country, which I recall celebrated this monster's death and cheered Obama for okaying the hit.
Now what needs to be done is a tax qualified trust fund to be set up for Seal Team Six to raise 20 or so million dollars to cover education for kids, health issues not service related, and new identities and anything else appropriate from a grateful Nation.
You in for a c-note BrotherAbstract ?
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LOL maybe, but these guys are very tough men, committed men.
It is time for a grateful Nation to do something...!
Unanimous and anonymous mean very different things.
Why just SEAL team six? There are thousands of active military, firefighters, non LA/PG cops etc who risk their lives every single day and clearly deserve more than they are getting for the work that they do, like say the ones who sacrificed so much on 9/11. Many have health issues and were left out in the cold. Don't they deserve more as well?
Yeah, I'm not sure where some of these comments are headed (especially by people who are otherwise proponents of smaller government). There are tons of "public servants" of various types who are grossly underpaid relative to the work they do (compared to most of us). Start setting up million dollar funds for them and our annual deficit will look more like our total debt right now.
and then there is this
Esquire magazine claims
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