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Just read this. Amazing.
This is amazing. Thank you for posting it.
Awesome awesome read. Really amazing to get that account of it.
im hearing pg plaza is the spot!
Shoot. Didn't notice it was posted already. Great read.
Wow. This is NOT roomy!
My favorite parts were the dark humor between the SEALs.
The group discussed what would happen if they were surrounded by Pakistani troops. We would surrender. The original plan was to have Vice-President Biden fly to Islamabad and negotiate our release with Pakistan's president.
This is hearsay, but I understand Obama said, Hell no. My guys are not surrendering. What do we need to rain hell on the Pakistani military? That was the one time in my life I was thinking, I am fucking voting for this guy. I had a picture of him lying in bed at night, thinking, You're not fucking with my guys. Like, he's thinking about us.
We got word that we'd be scrambling jets on the border to back us up.
You are an embarrassment to rational thinking.
Please reconcile this hearsay with what we know of Benghazi
For such a time as this.
Yeah, I think that's been pretty well documented.
If I recall correctly there were a few backup chinooks with SOF positioned on the border for a "fight your way out" scenario.
I was just quoting the guy who shot Osama Bin Laden... glad to know bigturtle thinks he is an embarrassment to rational thinking.
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Relying on soldiers to fortify your preconceived political notions IS kinda stupid, though. This guy's an awesome soldier and American. Doesn't mean his political opinions are worth more than anyone else's.
Note for future use: I don't tweet and barely understand twitter/hashtags. Anytime you read me saying #Anything, it is almost always going to be in jest and not anything poignant/serious.
I was just seeing if anyone was so partisan that just reading that one aside about Obama in that incredible story would make their blood boil. As always, bigturtle didn't disappoint.
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I don't necessarily think he was saying we should keep supporting Obama because this hero does. I think it's just a nice quote since it shows a ballsier side to someone we probably all have a preconceived notion of as a pragmatic thinker and someone who'd rely on diplomacy and negotiations before throwing an air force wing at the enemy to save a handful of special forces fighters.
Im ready for aa 5th of vodica to end my feels.
Please, you are much to partisan, much too transparent that your sophomoric attempts are easily discerned.
Can you stop fucking ruining what could be an interesting thread?
Can we not turn another thread into a political pissing match?
great read. TFCIT
Why did he retire before he would be eligible for his benefits? I didn't see anything saying he was forced out, and he refuses to take jobs that are "beneath" him. He refuses to carry a gun so that eliminates most of the high paying jobs he could qualify for. Sir, thank you for your service but it seems like you aren't making the best decisions career wise.
Is it that hard to figure out why he might want to retire? How about not wanting to spend all his time away from his family, have his personal life ruined, and constantly be under the threat/pressure involved with putting his life on the risk? How about the discussion that mentioned the former SEALs killed in Benghazi?
Also, I think you missed the point a bit about his career options (or lack thereof). It's not that he thinks he is "too good" for jobs and doesn't want to work on things "beneath him." You make it sound like he's some entitled asshole like the prep-school/Ivy League kids I sometimes see who are too proud/lazy/arrogant to take on some entry-level job because they think the world should be served to them on a platter. The point is that for someone with the incredible skills that he has (we're talking about a guy who, if viewed in a vacuum, it would take us years/millions to replace), it is somewhat remarkable that we can't seem to figure out how to translate that into some better use on the civilian side.
I think this was covered in the Bowden book to some extent. Where this whole aspect of hole up or fight your way out is planned for. I think that McRaven originally articulated something like we're fine with holing up while you negotiate (totally shortchanging this and paraphrasing). But Obama basically factors in our tenuous relationship with Pakistan and says no, plan on fighting your way out. I can't remember who the key person was, or even how much weight it was given, but the Bowden book mentioned the U.S. recently getting passed long negotiations to get some important person released just a few weeks or months prior and that Obama just didn't like how that went or thought we'd burned enough capitol with Pakistan on that thing. I wish I could remember who it was the book mentioned but I'm blanking.
Yeah. He deserves better, but this is an interesting case. There's no real policy set up for special circumstances where (reasonably) healthy, active service members can retire early with full benefits. And how would you even go about setting up such measures? Other special recognitions or book deals aren't possible or would be rebuffed since he wishes to remain unanimous.
The larger problem doesn't really fit with this gentleman's story. And that is the sheer number of soldiers dealing with PTSD. His bout w/ Ambien, alcohol and a handgun really only got a brief mention in the section about his wife and what she has to handle.
Yeah, it was mentioned in the Bowden book and I think in another one of the books as well. (I believe I've read every book on the topic...and they all merge together a bit after a while, so my recollection is a bit shoddy as well). But I think McRaven wanted them to hole themselves up while we negotiated their release with the Pakistanis (I don't recall Biden's proposed role being mentioned in the books), and Obama pretty much said no to that and said shoot your way out if you need to.
This is true, as well. I'm not digging for the line, but it was something along the lines of not sure where he fits in society. Identifying someone and exterminating them is no problem, though.
He can do whatever he wants, but he knew that leaving meant he would not qualify for his benefits. He was a SEAL for 16 years, of his own free will. It is a dangerous job and i am grateful brave men like him serve the country. He does not deserve different treatment because he shot bin laden. All i am saying is that from what i read, he is dealing with the fallout from his own life choices, nobody is "screwing" him any more than they "screw" any other service member who leaves before they qualify for benefits.
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