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I would say that Denise attaching herself to the runaway winner, while simultaneously locking up the #2 spot, and then dropping him when she got the chance was absolutely "outwitting, outplaying, and outlasting." There is always 1 or 2 people who overplay the game and every season people think they "deserved" to win. Malcolm was too likeable. He needed to create some doubt among the tribe that he would win. You can win that way, but its hard because you have to win the last 3-5 challenges and you never know if there will be one you just cannot do. JT basically provided a non-repeatable blueprint that someone tries every year.
Malcolm's game was the standard definition of overplaying.
im sorry i was confusing...your "Superbowl" was the Redskins losing since you know that the Ravens cant win it all.
When people do this I guess I just don't believe that it was their plan all along (though plans can change and often have to). I also think she got a tremendous break when it was Abbey that went home in the final five. There was no reason not to keep her beyond enduring her presence. In the end the variability of the players are what make the game interesting. Everyone brings in their own subjectivity. As a juror I'd probably vote down the coattail blueprint just because we've seen a lot of it.
Malcolm had agreed to a final 3 with Skupin and Lisa, which means there was no reason to vote off Abi #5 as she was no threat and no reason to keep Denise. That was his mistake, not voting Denise out at #5.
Go away, KA!
Here is my argument against Denise's strategy though, because I agree Malcolm overplayed and you make a great comparison to JT. Malcolm presumably overplayed because he was too likeable and dominant in challenges. Because he was the clear frontrunner, he was also a clear target. That's a risky play for Malcolm and his play deserves criticism for that. But knowing what she knew...can't you make the argument that it was equally risky for Denise?
It's tough to say at what point she first considered booting Malcom. I would guess not before the final 5 or 6. But she knew he had the idol, which put him in a high % spot to get to the final four. The fine point of my post is that by attaching herself to the frontrunner she's really putting all her eggs in the final immunity challenge basket, just as Malcolm is.
Though I admit the difference is that she effectually has a 3 vs 1 advantage in that final challenge. Then again, it's a difference that didn't matter for a lot of challenges leading up to that.
Anyway she was deserving and I agree Malcolm totally overplayed. Just making an argument that her and Malcolm's strategies both seemed to pin their fates on that final immunity. And I just don't believe she wanted Malcom gone before any earlier than 5 or 6.
This post was edited by indianajones4 16 months ago
Yeah they all eff'ed that up. That made no sense.
If Malcom had won the the challenge at 4, Denise would have been voted out. She won because Skupin beat Malcom in that challenge. Is that really outwiting, outplaying and outlasting?
I disagree that Malcolm screwed up by not voting out Denise at 5. It would have a no brainer for Lisa and Skupin to take Abi to the final rather than Malcolm. Lisa and Skupin actually screwed up by not voting Denise out 5. There only chance of winning was to go to the final with Abi.
At 4, the perception was that Malcom was the clear favorite. When there is a clear favorite and the others are playing to win, the clear favorite has to win the challenge at 4 or he or she is going to be voted out.
Yeah, she put herself in a position where all she needed was for one of the 3 people not named Malcolm to win and she got a million dollars. That is certainly outplaying. I have no idea how people can watch this show and think it is all about being athletic and good at challenges. The key to winning is always having someone next to you who is going to get voted out before you and getting really lucky that they stick around longer. Hell, Malcolm could have easily been an early exit due to his little showmance blunder. He got lucky they dumped the girl instead of him.
1. I don't know how Malcolm overplayed. His record in challenges wasn't that stellar. He won 3 (maybe 4 immunities) and seemed like a pretty nice guy. At no point did he ever look like a dominate force in challenges (a la Ozzy or JT). In fact, towards the end of the season when people started talking him up, I didn't quite get it. I think he always had the best chance to win if he made the final tribal, but not by such a wide margin to make it worthy of multiple comments at tribal.
2. Denise's strategy detailed above is bs. She didn't attach herself to the runaway winner. She attached herself to the most bearable person on her awful starting tribe. No one can logically argue that Malcolm was considered a favorite in the first four episodes. It's not like she had her pick of everyone to align with. He was the only option. It was fortunate for her that Malcolm turned out to be a really solid player.
Malcolm's game really suffered from a few poor decisions at the end and when he was called out as being unbeatable in multiple tribals. A player like Malcolm (nice guy, best athlete in his season) really only has two options in Survivor, either make an early alliance that is too stupid to vote you out at the end and ride them the whole way, or play a perfect game. On the other hand, there are five Denise's on every season... a nice person who seems alright in challenges. The difference is that only one "Denise" gets lucky and aligns with the right person. They never know that they chose a stallion to ride to the final on.
They need to just cut the tribals and safety nets. Drop 20 people off on an island with a machete and see who is literally left a year from then.
Edit: I have no idea why I quoted you.
So basically the hunger games for adults?
Sadly I have never seen the Hunger Games. I kind of want it to be 20 college basketball coaches we hate and bet on it.
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