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exactly....im sure martyrdom is a swell idea but if we can accomplish ourselves what they would like to do....
the irony here is that our stupidity might actually be the best defense against terrorism we have
just issue everyone a gun at birth...it would be so much easier
The Internet gives all the village idiots a voice
If Mitch does decide to go you could be looking at 10 wins or less next year - MdBbReporter
lol great job pigs. Dont trust cops kids
a lot of them would, and then some. but the average gun enthusiast is a better target than that. come on. have you ever shot a gun before?
You just blew my mind
News this morning: 3 bystanders were hit by bullets, the rest were by fragments, aka ricochet. But don't let that get in the way of telling everyone they shot a dozen people to prove your point. Everyone on the Internet is a better shooter than nyc cops in a frantic situation, better football/basketball coach than ___, better evaluator of talent than _____, what other examples am I missing? it's ridiculous
THEY SHOT 3 BYSTANDERS. that's bad enough. and then still had to fire off enough rounds that scores other got hurt, just to take down a guy who hadn't even fired at them.
I'm a better football coach than Rangoon.
The whole thing stinks. This guy shot his intended victim, and put the gun in the bag. A construction worker points out the shooter to the cops. At this point, they approach him and he draws his again and the cops shoot like blind men. Once the gun was away, how do you not have the cops just surprise him and jump him from behind or something? You are in a big crowd and the gun was away. Maybe there was no way to do this, but I just find it hard to believe with literally hundreds of cops including a ton of undercover in the area this could not have been done differently.
This sounds like all the libtards who say "They should've shot the gun out of his hand!! Omg they should've tasered him instead! There was a better way to to it! Why didn't they just calmly follow him and confront him in a place where there were no bystanders! They should've fired a rubber bullet instead it's safer! what were they thinking!"
I seriously hope you are trolling for shits and giggles. Whether he shot at them or not he killed a guy then pulled a gun on them, pointing it at them. Does it really fucking matter if he fired at them or not? I am not a genius but I am smart enough to know how challenging it is to be a police officer particularly in manhattan in a situation like this where there is no time to plan on how to react and youhave hundreds of people running around in panic. You are complaining about the end result. Like everyone the Internet it's really easy to criticize results via hindsight without offering a solution. So how would've you handled the situation since you are such as expert in these situations? Please share and also send to the police chief so he can pass it onto his police force! If he only knew you were out there he would've offered you a plum job years ago!
Ahh yes. The old "surprise him and jump him from behind police strategy". I'm not a cop but I am pretty sure in any police force in the world , that isn't official protocol for handling any situation, but I did see harrison ford do it in the fugitive so I'm sure it's legit.
if one of the innocents that took a bullet in the leg bled out, it would be a complete different story. these police should not have been trusted to use deadly force. i realize how challenging and stressful this situation was. i also realize that they were not equipped to handle it.
actually it is used and used in NYC as it was done right outside my building a few months ago. cop from behind reported seeing a weapon on a guy walking down 8th avenue. two other cops waited on a cross street and when the perp was walking by the wrecked him.
Again, I'm not a cop. But I think this situation was very different since he already shot someone point blank in a very crowded area, so trying to tackle him could have resulted in the guy firing off more shots in a struggle,killing more people. I'm pretty sure cops having the guns out pointed at him allows them to end the situation if needed without him getting any more shots off, versus trying to tackle him in a frantic situation. The guy kept turning his back to see if anyone was following, I don't think they could've surprise ambushed him. If someone came at him I'm sure he would try pull the gun and fire right away.
It does sound like the bad guy got his initial victim, and the cops got the rest. That's really pretty poor.
agree with leftyterp there are many different ways this could have played out. monday morning qb's always come up with them. if the officers had done this, if the officers had done that. yes the perfect and best way is that the suspect had been taken down without any shots being fired. the officers made a split second decision on what they should do at that moment in time. maybe, if they had reacted different, they both would be dead. suspect had already shown he could kill. guess some of you are just so good you always make the best decision in your jobs (oh, that's right no one is pulling a gun to shoot at you)
noone is even arguing that the cops weren't justified in using deadly force, only that they should have used it on the perp, not everyone happening to be walking down the sidewalk in new york on a summer day.
Just how you draw it up.
Good point. You wouldn't want an innocent bystander to catch a stray bullet or a piece of a ricochet.
I know nothing about shooting guns, but remember something I came across while reading about the Auroa shooting and the debate about semi automatic weapons, etc.
When the NYPD switched to using Glocks as their standard issue sidearm, the trigger weight was much lower than what their previous gun was and they were really bad at shooting with it. Instead of having the officers trained to use the gun properly, the NYPD had Glock make a version of their gun specifically for the NYPD with a higher trigger weight. According to people who actually shoot guns, the Glocks with the "NYPD trigger" are harder to be accurate with than the original Glocks that everyone else uses.
It's obviously easy to say and hard to do when budgets are already tight, but maybe they should put more focus on training.
The cops were right to shoot the guy since he drew his gun on them. That being said the one cop looked to be about ten feet away. If he missed more than once he needs some serious training.
they can probably hit a target 10/10 but when they know its for keeps adrenaline can really throw you off.
the only thing worse than cops are people who defend cops
One of the things that intrigues me the most about the infinite parallel dimensions theory is that according to it, there exists a world out there in which Colfax is a cop.
not saying all cops are the best, but blanket statements like yours shows the hatred u have for cops. not sure what your story is, but guessing u had bad run-in with A cop, and it possibly couldn't be with all cops. Too many posters jumped to conclusions saying officers should have been able to take him down without firing any shots or making sure all shots went into suspect. WP says 10 of 16 shots went into suspect and 3 civilians were shot from a direct hit. Now we are finding out the officers were approaching from the rear (like what some posters said they would have done) when he spun around with the gun in his hand. The officers had to fire at that time. Are you telling me you wouldn't have fired? What would you have done in that instance? Taken the bullet. Oh, that's right, u wouldn't have been there in first place cause u couldn't be a cop, since u hate all cops.
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