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Looks like the Mexicans really didn't take to well to that 0-0 tie last week.
Somewhat silly, although I don't really disagree that strongly with the underlying reasoning that was provided. "Illegal" should generally refer to actions, not people.
I don't disagree with it, but it's mostly irrelevant since 99.9% of the country doesn't give a shit about AP Style.
"impermissive immigrant" flows a bit better
And unless I missed it, they don't actually suggest a replacement term. I read it a couple of times looking for that, but then my eyes started to bleed.
I assume "undocumented" immigrant or something like that might be used.
I had that some problem. It seemed that they kept saying it was the preferred term in an article saying it wasn't allowed anymore.
AP no write clearly.
No, uncocumented can't be used since someone can have some sort of documentation, but not the right type of documentation.
You need to say that it was someone who immigrated into the country illegally.
Alleged Immigrant will become the preferred description.
American-Status Unknown Americans
Some rep in Maryland (I think Anne Kaiser from Silver Spring) insists on them being called "undocumented workers" or "undocumented immigrants".
This post was edited by sigman58 15 months ago
Far be it from me to lecture the AP on parts of speech, but did it ever occur to them that "illegal" is a description of the course of action the immigrant chose?
This post was edited by frode 15 months ago
The governor insisted on the term "new Americans" in his debates with Bob a few years ago. Awful.
[Yes, this is just semantics, but since we're discussing it ... ]
Aren't you just proving the point the "illegal" refers to the action? The AP isn't saying it's improper to say that the immigrants entered illegally; in fact, they are saying that's entirely proper.
[I don't want to make it sound like I remotely care or feel strongly about this ... just wasting some time on the internets.]
Maybe it's because my last project was on Immigration Reform but it's really not that simple. I wouldn't call what DREAM Act-eligible students did illegal.
And I also learned that "undocumented" is the preferred term.
classlessthug: I have too much on my plate to worry about the fact that my junk intimidates some needle D undergrad.
It's modifying immigrant in the term "illegal immigrant," but illegally-entering immigrant doesn't have the same alliterative pizzazz.
As long as you don't call them what the good Representative from Alaska did, you're probably in reasonable shape.
"And I try to har-mo-nize with songs the lonesome sparrow sings...
There are no kings inside the Gates of Eden."
I'm sure that is the preferred term... By those who are here in violation of federal law.
So you're ignoring the first part of my post, then?
No, I wasn't ignoring it, just didn't think the entire thing needed to be quoted. But I wasn't trying to selectively edit you or pull it out of context. Sorry if you feel that way.
The only illegal immigrants to this country were Africans brought to this country as slaves.
Come on out and get your whoopin!
Because it didn't fit your point.
Yeah, I gotcha... I'm just saying their argument is essentially meaningless.
If someone's a "good" dancer, the action is built into what we're calling them. Therefore it's entirely appropriate to apply an adjective to a noun that has the action built in.
An immigrant, by definition, is in the act of immigrating. Apply "illegal" to that and it's the proper use of the adjective.
Although the common pejorative noun "illegals" is used in a way that makes the "illegal" in immigrant dicier than you describing a talented dancer as a "good" dancer.
It's a linguistic difference that's not worth the time to argue, in that I don't think it's important. What's important to me is avoiding the often virulently nasty descriptions of immigrants (of whatever linguistic flavor), them being fellow human beings and all. None of which nastiness is present here by anyone.
Your way of thinking is correct.
There is no need to reach too far.
We shouldn't call them illegals
When criminals is what they are.
Preferred by whom? The people here illegally?
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