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It's sad irony. Obama trying to be the moderate might get the whole thing fucked.
I have no idea how this ends. The problem for challengers to the mandate is the mandate is really the only component of the bill that's unpopular. All the things it pays for: preexisting conditions, kids under 26, etc., are very popular. Not sure how the gov't gets around that. We've gone pretty far down the road already, and that's why repeal is a farce even though Pubs will only say that behind closed doors. God help us if they worked together and found a less controversial way to pay for some of this stuff, tax credits or something.
Political decisions that if not made would have killed the bill, for a number of reasons.
Im not so sure its a farce at all. If the Mandate goes down (and the rest remains) the cost of the bill becomes completely unbareable. There is zero way to pay for it. If insurers have to cover everyone regardless of preexisting condition.....costs will explode.
Ole Harry Reid slapping down Jeffery Tobin. (BTW...I generally agree with Reid's comments. way too early to tell anything based on oral arguments)
Reid's comments came hours after the Supreme Court heard oral arguments on the constitutionality of the individual mandate, a session some some legal observers said went badly for the administration. In particular, Reid was asked about legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin's prediction that the law is poised to be struck down.
"I'm sure [Toobin] is trying to sell some words that he distributes around," Reid said. "I wouldn't bet on this, but I'll bet I've been in court a lot more than Jeffrey Toobin and I had arguments, federal, circuit, Supreme Court and hundreds of times before trial courts. And the questions you get from the judges doesn't mean that's what's going to wind up with the opinion.
"We know it's going to be a close opinion," Reid added. "But we don't know how close it's going to be. But I think that in my personal opinion, although I have great respect for Toobin, I disagree with him. I think that the argument went just fine and the court has not made up their mind what they're going to do."
Really? Reid was an accomplished lawyer who practiced in federal court and even appeared before the Supreme Court? I've never heard that before. That can't possibly be true...isn't he a career politician??
This post was edited by terps99 2 years ago
Time to dust this off.
The idea: More competition among insurers, spurred by a tax credit that helps consumers buy their own insurance, would lead to universal coverage.
He didnt "try to be moderate." The votes were simply not there for a public option, so he was forced to go the route they did.
Go away, KA!
Yup, they will. But not right away. And he'll try to find other ways to pay for it, and run against Pubs trying to deny coverage to those people. It's a much better political issue. There's no way his signature is going on a bill to repeal his most significant legislative success.
Probably not. But he never really pushed very hard for the public option.
Depends,of course, whether or not he wins on Nov. I agree it will be a big political debate. (If we assume the mandate is struck for purposes of this argument). There will be allo sorts of reports on the "new" cost of Obamacare with the mandate. Im not sure thats a good position to be in.......whats his response.....we'll raise everyone's taxes even higher than I've been proposing (e.g. on top of the buffet tax and repeal of the bush tax cuts?)
I don't know how it ends, but I know Obama ain't repealing his law. A President Romney would, I guess, in the irony of ironies.
I don't see how that would be ironic, since it's been Romney's sales pitch for months now. State vs. Federal. It's not hard to understand.
As I understand it, without the mandate the whole thing is a fiscal mess that will *have* to be repealed.
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How long before he starts trying to blame ObamaCare on the Republicans? That IS his MO, screw something up, then blame: 1. Bush, or 2. "The Republican congress."
The Republican SCOTUS, duh.
If anything, it'd be ironic should the pile of crap Obamacare bill/law stand as the vast majority of Americans clearly aren't for it.
He already did that in the State of the Union. A man's got to mix up his excuses, keep things fresh.
Just read the transcript from today's argument. I have to say, I previously predicted that the S. Ct. would uphold the individual mandate, but I don't know how anyone can be confident in that prediction after today's argument. [Not saying what I thought SHOULD happen, but what WOULD. And I would have thought that the government was the odds-on favorite to win this. I'm not so sure anymore.] The Solicitor General really struggled with some of the questions today.
that's the idea behind the individual mandate--everybody holds insurance, soon nobody can get dropped for pre-existing conditions and it's not going to impact your rates because we already pay for those who get dropped and are uninsured. The brainchild of the individual mandate was a Fellow at the Heritage foundation and a Wharton guy, Mark Pauly, who still stands by it as sound public policy. Romney, McCain and Gingrich once backed it--the only reason they don't anymore is because the wing-nuts have hijakced the GOP and opposition is now seen as a test of conservative bona fides.
i haven't read too much of the thread but i just cannot understand how the government FORCING you to pay and have obamacare is possibly constitutional, under any clause. unless they add an obama clause. I just dont get how they can do that.
im hearing pg plaza is the spot!
Liberal bloggers are basically ready to crucify him. It's like he didn't know he'd be getting questions or something.
Clement certainly had a better day...
For the lawyers and experts (kunal, tent, frode, etc.), what are the odds this get struck down? Give me a percentage. What happens to Obamacare if the mandate gets struckdown and Obama wins the election? Does it get adjusted or repealed?
Nobody really knows. Justices seemed not to care much about precedent, and took it pretty hard to the gov't during questioning. But like I said yesterday, the two uber-conservative judges on the DC Circuit did the same thing in arguments, and then went and upheld it in their opinions.
So...nobody really knows. The political situation afterwards is even more muddled.
So much state vs federal that Romney wrote Op-eds in papers in favor of the federal government adopting the policy........
Been a few years since my Business Law class, wasn't Willard the case cited in Raich?
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