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I've seen Boston Red Sox home games that had more diversity than a TP rally. Why is that? Shouldn't "fiscal conservatism" be an ideal that all Americans subscribe to?
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99% of americans, conservative, liberal, or other, support the ability of people to speak about what they feel. that issue was never in question. so you can't lie and say it was about freedom of speech. it was about being a "proud christian" and supporting bigoted ideals.
if you don't think that most are also social conservatives, you have your head in the sand.
Frode trying to defend the tea party never gets old.
So you're saying that the libs calling the CFA guy and other conservatives 'bigoted', 'racist', etc. are part of the 1%?
Go away, KA!
“Obviously, those votes certainly don’t make me happy,” said Amy Kremer, chairwoman of the Tea Party Express, one of the country’s most influential tea party organizations — though she was quick to say she was pleased with Ryan’s selection as Mitt Romney’s running mate.
“I think that he’s somebody who’ll stand up and accept responsibility for previous actions,” she said. “More importantly than that, he knows that we’re in serious financial trouble, and he has a grasp on the big picture all the way down to the little details.
“There is no perfect politician,” Kremer added. “There are many of them that have had votes that we aren’t happy about. But we were in a different time period then, and those votes are actually what led to this movement being formed.”
Paul Ryan rose to the top of the political ranks on his reputation as a conservative budget hawk. But his voting record shows him to be far from a pure fiscal conservative. Ryan voted for the $700 billion bank bailout, the biggest Medicare expansion in U.S. history, a massive highway bill that included the and other...
not even close to what he said, at all
I'll give an analogy of what my point is, and then I'm going to leave this topic alone.
A friend of mine (huge lib, btw) insists that Hollywood is "run by Jews". He'll rattle off the biggest names in Hollywood, and sure enough, they're all Jewish. That supposedly proves his point.
Then I caution him not to overlook the dark-haired male conspiracy in Hollywood...because do you realize how many dark-haired men are in positions of power in Hollywood? It totally eclipses the Jewish conspiracy.
Again, the TP is a fiscal conservatism movement that is populated by people with all kinds of views that are unrelated to fiscal conservatism. Yes, that means there are some social conservatives. But maybe when you find the data I'm asking for, I'll concede the "vast majority" point. I hardly think that invalidates or disproves the fiscal conservatism aims of the movement, though.
This post was edited by frode 20 months ago
"The Tea Party movement is an American political movement that advocates strict adherence to the United States Constitution, reducing U.S. government spending and taxes, and reduction of the U.S. national debt and federal budget deficit."
These are the main stances of the Tea Party, who gives a shart if they support Chick-Fil-A, it's not extremely radical to support freedom of speech.
Yes, it should, especially when the country is $16 trillion in debt and continues to borrow over $100 billion every month to pay our bills and this doesn't include the added costs of Obamacare.
so if i'm going to support the KKK's ability to say what they want, i have to attend a rally and hang someone from a tree?
as a closer analogy, i support the salvation army's ability to be bigots, but i'm sure as hell not dropping a dollar in their bucket.
how can it be about freedom of speech if noone ever said he shouldn't be able to say what he wants?
this is what it was about:
this should be the last post on the subject.
This article explains in further detail why I said before that I consider the "Superhero Debt Crusader Paul Ryan" persona a bit of a phony.
Yeah they preach tolerance as long as everyone is forced to tolerate what they want. Otherwise everyone else is a bunch of bigots.
Edit: Being relatively new to politics this is one thing that struck me instantly
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im hearing pg plaza is the spot!
Can I get some freedom fries with my chargrilled, no homo, chicken club?
BTW, looks like you guys will get to see the guys you really wanted for president speak at the RNC. Christie giving the Keynote, Rubio the nomination speech and introduction.
Rubio especially is a great speaker, not sure Mittens would want to follow him up. Plus, Christie is more of an attack dog, but the Keynote is more of a "state of the party/these are our beliefs" kinda speech...maybe Walker or someone more suited for that role?
Well, Christie can point to some of the things he (and Walker) have done to bring about big deficit reductions at the state level. Christie is somewhat of an attack dog in terms of how he operates, but he's much more about giving the straight dope and not being afraid to do it.
"how can it be about freedom of speech if noone ever said he shouldn't be able to say what he wants?
this is what it was about:
this should be the last post on the subject."
No, this is what you think it is about and what you are trying to make it be about.
This post was edited by Teraskins 20 months ago
Let me get this straight, the left attacks Ryan as some right wing zealot/extremists on the one hand, then on the other hand cites to his voting record to show that he has on occassion compromised, hence he is a phony? No Pol has a perfect voting record. As to some of the votes mentioned, Ryan's position on the bank bailouts is congress was told by experts that if this measure didn't pass, it would end the banking system in our country and destroy our economy. They had 48 hours to decide and vote on the measure. In that scenario, was it a bad vote? Don't most Dems point to this vote as heroic? With respect to Medicare Part D (Prescription Drug) vote, there were two plans being discussed at that time, one with some free market principles incorporated, which is what was passed, and one that didn't contain these principles and was based on the current Medicare model. According to Ryan, one of the two plans was going to get through congress and Bush made it clear that he was going to sign which either of the plans got to his desk. Naturally, the Libs wanted to pass the plan without any free market competition and was 100% Gov't run. Ryan chose the lesser of two evils and voted for the plan that implements some free market competition. This plan has proven to save money over the plan that didn't rely upon free market competition (no big surprise), and it has provided a model for Ryan's plan to bring free market competition to Medicare for those under 55 years old. Notwithstanding the above, Ryan is the first to admit that he made some votes as a younger congressman that were for the team, and he wished he had not done. He, as well as a few other young Pubs, beileved the Pub Party had gotten away from their conservative fiscal principles. That's why he and a few others young Pubs decided to break away from the establishment Pubs (see link) and became known as the young guns.
It took courage and guts for Ryan to distance himself from the establishment Pubs and author and push his plans. You may not agree with or like Ryan, but I disagree with any characterization of him as a phony.
Robert Costa writes on NRO: Republican Kevin McCarthy of California, the House majority whip, first met Paul Ryan more than a decade ago, when McCarthy was a staffer for congressman Bill Thomas, the former chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee. Even then, McCarthy recalls, he was impressed with Ryan’s grasp of complicated fiscal . . .
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It always makes me laugh when liberals criticize someone's lack of fiscal conservatism, like they're trying to convince us to vote for Obama instead or something. Or maybe they want us to stay home and not vote...whatever. Such an odd line of attack, not to mention its ineffectiveness.
please read the previous 20 or so posts relative to the Christian values of tea party members...and tell me that isn't out of hand....
great post. I'd like to hear an anti gay marriage/pro chick filet person read that article and then explain why they aren't ignorant bigots.
Nah, what I'm saying is he is riding a media created persona that isn't very accurate given his past voting record. Much like Obama in 08 in a way.
He's no Ron Paul or Tom Coburn. I detest them but at least respect their principled stances on things. Ryan's just a pol, a good one. Also much like Obama.
Yes, Christianity has been out of hand for years.
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