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Where the fuck did I brag about money? I just said I wasn't poor. And I admitted I'm an ass for that, but holy hell you people act like you're saints. Who the hell cares
Couldn't one make the argument that not getting busted with the ticket for speeding is stealing from the government since you should have received a ticket that could have ultimately helped pay for a park or a teacher's salary or something?
I agree with you that these arguments are terrible from both perspectives.
I think the major question here is whether torrenting or filesharing is stealing or not.
“We’re on the wrong track if we describe this as thievery.”
What do you think this means?
You are a small, small boy.
classlessthug: I have too much on my plate to worry about the fact that my junk intimidates some needle D undergrad.
I think that scumbag is trying to say that they need to approach it from another direction as opposed to just outright calling it stealing. They need to be more creative in how they frame their case.
This thread has exceeded expectations in an immensely enjoyable way.
It means, politically, they cant fight "thievery" and win. He wants to change the conversation and the methods of enforcing the law, not legalize piracy. I know you have more reading comprehension than that.
R&W is a childish scumbag. Hopefully he'll grow out of it as an adult.
R&W's definitely just trolling because no one is enough of a cheesedick to steal a soda from chipotle.
I think the Chipotle soda is the new small pet bear.
Yeah basically this.
I'll try one more analogy. Someone buys what is deemed as a fair market price for a painting. They decide to (somehow) make a bunch of copies of it and hand them out and you get one. I don't think you'd be stealing in that scenario, so I don't see why you would be for music
So you're just an asshole thief?
I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?
Lol, I love where this thread is going.
Of course it's stealing. It's been priced by its producers and by acquiring if from a torrent or a fileshare for free you're taking something that is not rightfully yours, aka stealing. The question becomes a bit gray when the artist says steal the music but if there are others involved (a record company) than it's still stealing no matter what your justification for it is.
I can't walk into McDonalds and just take a Big Mac because I think $5 (or whatever it costs) is too much for two thin patties or everyone else is doing it.
I'm really really beginning to hate how much all of you thump your chests as the pinnacle of moral society. As if putting 5 cents worth of soda into a fucking water cup is the degradation of all that is right. Get the fuck over yourselves.
some men just want to watch the world burn
You're equating a tangible item with a file or information.
If I buy an album online, burn it to a CD, then give it to my father, am I stealing, or is my father, or what?
Perhaps these companies need to think of a way to prevent me from making copies of something I legally purchased. This, of course, opens the can of worms on patents.
You're making this too black and white I think.
I read the Reznor article. Even Trent says his model is not particularly feasible:
" Now, here's the rub. Reznor isn't the naive artist who doesn't understand dollars and cents. He said that he knows giving away music may not make business sense. In addition, such a model could work for marquee bands like Radiohead but not for up-and-coming acts.
"Radiohead has a built-in audience and they have the luxury of being able to experiment with a new distribution model," Reznor said. "I think there were some serious flaws with how they executed but it was a good idea."
His stance, along with what the MPAA says is less of a "let's give our shit away for free" as much as "we can't keep people from stealing our property. We might as well address the issue."
What would the artist say in this situation? I don't think he'd agree with your opinion.
But if they put out a huge tray that had big macs right outside the door and said grab one and come inside and pay for it, but 95% of the people simply took it and walked away, you would take that damn burger too. I don't care if you and the rest of this morally egotistical board think you'd be that guy that would go inside and pay, if it was sitting there you'd take that goddman burger and walk.
As usual, you miss the point. One needn't operate at the pinnacle of moral superiority to realize something so obviously wrong is wrong. Stop being such a child.
If someone sets a price for something and you take it for free it's stealing. You can't honestly be saying you don't understand that. I think I'll stop now as you appear to have been raised by a pack of slow-witted wolves.
Isn't there a thread about some Chinese site selling jerseys ...
Maybe we need to start ranking this stuff.
R&W is the Pe'shon Howard of debating. My god, these analogies.
Tough to say without knowing the artist's original intentions. Perhaps he painted for the joy of producing something that enriched his life. Maybe he wasn't motivated by means of monetary gain.
well, now that we have this new example, it's confirmed.
You're a terrible human being.
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