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It's all fun and games until somebody gets shot.
There have always been millions of guns in our society, but this mass murdering has experienced a tragic uptick in the past two or three decades. Switzerland has most of its citizens armed with assault rifles in their homes, but any incident with them is very rare. Any ideas as to why?
And you are correct, nothing is every simple, particularly in suggesting various abridgements to Constitutional rights, but there are acceptable ways to harden taregets and reduce access to guns for some people and forbid access for certain types of firearms completely except with vetting, licensing and fee paid (ie expand the machine guns, etc rules to include other weapons)
Interesting, but do you have a link to the data to suppprt your conclusion in #2?
The right to carry has a mixed result, but stats out of Texas for instance show gun crime down with the increase in the right to care.
Need to see your fact source ...
Romo did a pretty good job blowing himself up!
I know this has to have been posted, I finally had the time to watch it.
Hollywood, a culture of mindless hyocrites, and their work product a part of the problem we have seen develop over the past 20-30 years.
I disagree with much of the underlying rhetoric contained here.
Among other things, your post is written as if gun ownership in the United States has severely gone down and, if increased to Swiss levels, would somehow dramatically result in fewer deaths. That is wrong on multiple levels.
First, even today, over 40% of all US households have a firearm! It's not like there is some huge restriction on guns and no one owns any.
Second, the suggestion that most of Swiss citizens are armed with assault rifles in their homes is just wrong and one of the bigger myths out there.
Third, believe it or not, more US homes have firearms than Swiss homes. In fact, the US has more total guns, more households with guns, more individuals with guns, and a higher percentage of gun ownership.
So I think your operating premise is wrong on a number of levels.
Having said that ... yes, the Swiss have a ton of guns, and for a variety of legal, cultural, and socio-economic reasons, they have less crime than we do.
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My source for that is the FBI's national uniform crime reports. There is simply no correlation between tough gun laws and increased crime (or conversely, lax gun laws and decreased crime). To the contrary, many of the states with the highest incidents of firearm deaths, assaults using firearms, and robberies involving firearms are states with some of the more lax gun laws (e.g., Louisiana, Mississippi) and some of the lowest rates of violence are found in some states with some of the toughest laws (e.g., New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Hawaii).
Note: I am NOT saying that tougher laws necessarily lead to less crime...I'm simply negating the suggestion that tougher laws necessarily lead to higher crime...there is little to no proof of that.
One other thing...our firearms murder rate is actually among the lowest its ever been. I also reject your operating premise that we have somehow seen a huge explosion in gun crime in recent decades. The crime rate has consistently and dramatically gone down. Some of the crimes have, of course, been of a more shocking and newsworthy nature ... but the overall rate of crime is DOWN, not up.
P.S. It's not just the firearms-murder rate that has gone down dramatically, but also the use of firearms in other crimes. For example, see attached chart for the dramatic drop in nonfatal firearms-related crime. (Source: Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice)
Eek, terrible and eerily ironic timing given the Swiss discussion above. This just came across my international news feed. A gunman just opened fire in a Swiss village.
A gunman has opened fire in a village in Switzerland, killing three people and wounding two others, before being arrested, media reports say.
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Who starts the "hobby of metal detecting" not knowing about metal detectors? Are you that incredibly stupid or demented? You rank among the dumbest of our new bunch of late night posters - we certainly welcome new posters here, but the ability to think at a basic level is a requisite, and you, my friend fail that basic test.
Go find Soso, then return to us a better, more informed poster.
Our schools won't be safe until every teacher has a gold metal detector
I actually had lunch with two people from Switzerland the other day (both named Sven). We spoke about this issue for a little while and I learned a few things. Our conversation started when Sven was talking about gangs of gypsies that went into Switzerland, broke into a ton of homes, and then left the area. I asked him if this was risky, given the large amount of weapons in Switzerland. He told me that the weapons don't matter, as it is actually a crime to shoot somebody for stealing property.
Sven went on to say that yes, there is a large portion of the population that has an assault rifle as a part of the requirement for men to serve in their military. However, there was an incident a few years ago where a gunman went into a local government building and shot the place up. In reaction to that incident, Swiss military required all weapon holders to return any ammo when they did their required annual training. Additionally, the new regulations require the Swiss to keep their weapon dismantled, with a portion of the chamber (I think?) stored separately from the rest of the weapon. Now, Sven has an assault rifle with no bullets and a dismantled weapon. In the case of a German attack, he has to assemble his rifle, don his gear, and meet at the designated rally point to receive ammo.
Despite this knee jerk reaction, mass shootings were extremely rare in Switzerland. His position was that the emphasis on healthcare and high quality of life really helped prevent gun crime there. It sounds like a decent theory, but hard to replicate. I highly doubt that we could take their system and make it work here due to the huge differences in our economic and social structure.
"White House Threatens Executive order on Guns" underneath pics of Hitler and Stalin
Depending on what the EO covers it might really be highly unconstitutional. One of the few things he can do on guns via EO would be import restrictions. Those are even slightly questionable as since the same items can be manufactured domestically it could be interpreted as a protectionist trade policy and run afoul of free trade agreements.
If an executive order goes through there should be instant impeachment proceedings.
I dont know the accuracy of your statement is accurate about assault rifles. I do know Switzerland is significantly smaller than the US. I'm not positive of their training requirements but I believe military service is required. I'm also unaware of the mental health programs they have there. Therefore, you are likely comparing apples to oranges.
Guess I should have read further. Seems like twigga had it covered.
Here's a guess: maybe Switzerland is more like the Netherlands and Germany than the US and therefore has 1/3 the psychiatric prescription drug prevalence as the US? Link doesn't work
Either this website doesn't exist or is not currently available.
Comparing the workings of European countries to the US doesn't work, almost across the board. Many european countries are significantly smaller in population, physical size, and usually culturally homogeneous. Just like comparing the US educational system to the ones in Finland or Denmark don't work, comparing gun ownership/control in Switzerland to the US simply doesn't work. It's comparing apples/eggplants, not just apples/oranges.
BTW, retired 4-star Gen. McChrystal was on the Daily Show the other day, had a very reasonable take on gun control. Basically (paraphrasing) said that weapons designed for combat have no reasonable place in the home, including high powered rifles that are specifically designed only to kill as many people as possible as efficiently as possible.
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