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Have you ever dealt with family members of victims in cases where defendants are found not-guilty? Their reaction isn't exactly one that says "oh well--at least we played the game and let the jury figure it out!"
Also, I've made about 100 posts on this thread. Please point out even one where I "ruled out an arrest." That statement makes me wonder if you've actually been reading and following along on the posts made in this thread.
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lol, simmer down.
lol, stop making up stuff to try and support your argument.
given that everyone living under a rock knows the SYG law by now and how it may very well stand in the way of a conviction, you're assuming their lawyer has no interest in giving them a balance perspective. What, you think message board lawyers only have the full picture? their reaction from the get-go was to get an arrest. In an interview 2 days ago the mother stressed calm and patience to their supporters. As parents, they can be happy and want more, as opposed to have nothing happen. No one is suggesting that they'll be satisfied with a non-conviction. Does that mean they cannot be happy now? and you don't know what kind of peace they may or may not ultimately have.
You spent several posts reminding us about how reasonable doubt stands in the way of a conviction, all while several of us stressed probable cause for an arrest. It was clear that in your view, you don't make an arrest if you cannot convict.
what did I make up?
And talk about making up crap, what was that post last page?
Um, ok. But I think you missed the point of that entire discussion. (And that's ignoring the fact that nothing you've said in this post points to anywhere where I ruled out an arrest.)
there's no one point to this discussion...there are lots of points to this discussion. and one of them is that for the time being his parents can have some comfort. and given the circumstances, they may be grateful now for it. Given the circumstances, they may be more realistic about the chances for a conviction than you think. given the circumstances, you don't know that they can only be all in.
With all of that said, the point of you poo pooing an arrest was nothing more than a reminder that non of us knows what is going to happen.
Are we thinking manslaughter or murder?
The point of me "poo pooing an arrest" -- ignoring the fact that I'm not sure I ever did that and I have no idea what that means -- was to suggest that maybe people should let prosecutors do their job instead of jumping to conclusions ... because prosecutors make decisions based on a number of factors, one of them being the likelihood of conviction.
The fact that you are simultaneously arguing that we should wait and see what happens while failing to realize that the underlying point of my posts regarding the charging decision is to wait and see what happens is irony at its finest.
Given that the prosecutor didn't go to a grand jury, it's not going to be first degree murder.
I'm no lawyer, but I imagine if they had anything close to enough evidence to try him for murder, they would have done so weeks ago. I imagine it will be some sort of manslaughter charge.
I wonder if he will be killed resisting arrest when they locate him outside the country and seek to bring him back.
Is he a dual citizen of any country?
Many of Pitt's 58 "rushing attempts" were the result qb Tino Sunseri fleeing the pocket like a man whose clothes were on fire.
you would have to think that if there is enough evidence to charge him with anything, they would not have closed the case weeks ago.
i am thinking we are going to see a non capital murder charge (can't be capital without grand jury). either way i am sure the talking heads shows are happy since primary season came to a halt.
There are various categories of "murder." This won't be a first-degree murder, but could still be one of the lesser included offenses.
Prominent scum promotes racial violence.
"Let me tell you, the things that's about to happen, to these honkeys, these crackers, these pigs, these pink people, these ---- people. It has been long overdue. My prize right now this evening ... is gonna be the bounty, the arrest, dead or alive, for George Zimmerman. You feel me?"
“I say to everyone that is on this call right now, I‘m coming out of the gate like a greyhound on a rabbit’s a**…my prize right now this evening is going to be the bounty — the arrest – dead or alive – of George Zimmerman,” Williams proclaimed during the call.
“To every brother, to every female, I am for violence if non-violence means we continue postponing a solution to the American black man’s problem just to avoid violence. You feel me? It’s time to wake up.”
She went on to explain that “it’s in me to fight“ and to ”raise up soldiers.”
“It’s in me that every time my feet touch the ground in the state of Florida — these crackers — they scared.”
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I've heard him described as a White Hispanic, so I guess he's either from the Isle of White or Hispania.
That's appalling. Talk like that got Awlaki drone justice over in Yemen.
Opie and Anthony had a field day with these bites yesterday.
classlessthug: I have too much on my plate to worry about the fact that my junk intimidates some needle D undergrad.
Have you ever been to a latin american country? You do know there are A LOT of white hispanics right?
I am hoping I just missed some sarcasm in your post somewhere.
So are kids who are from a mixed couples (white/black) referenced as White African Americans? Media is so biased...
I don't think many posters in this thread were promoting an arrest without cause or adequate due diligence. I know for myself, I was raising the issue of whether Zimmerman's account should have been more scrutinized. And I don't think you were saying the case was over or that we shouldn't wait. But some of your posts were skeptical of the criticism of the investigation or whether there was enough there to charge.
"It's not like the decision not to arrest someone is an irreversible decision. You arrest someone when you have probable cause to arrest someone. They didn't arrest him right away. They didn't arrest him later. They haven't arrested him till date.
The fact that despite all this outcry and even the the President commenting on it, law enforcement STILL hasn't arrested this guy says a lot about the strength of any evidence against him and makes me skeptical of all the claims that this is the most incompetent police investigation ever. (And I quite literally heard two different "experts" make that claim on TV over the weekend.)
There's nothing stopping the city/state/feds from arresting this guy today if there is probable cause to believe a crime has been committed. Even as of today, the answer appears to be no."
the problem is this occurred in Flroida-which has the best "self-defense" laws in the country from what i can gather.
Florida prosecutors are stuck with the laws the NRA has given them. Blacks are correct in one respect. A bunch of old white people retired in florida and these laws are the result.
Old white people cant defend themselves without a gun. So they have laws favoring old white people.
Re: TerpPride's last post.
I stand by everything stated in that post. The point of that post was that -- contrary to some of the public outcry and the characterizations of this case in the media -- this was anything but an "obvious" or "slam dunk" case. Despite the national outcry and multiple agencies investigating him, he still wasn't arrested immediately after a special prosecutor was appointed and after the feds got involved. Thus, perhaps people should relax a bit on the "most incompetent investigation ever!1!!!" rhetoric. If it was as much of an open and shut case as many people believe it is, he would likely have been charged much sooner.
It was intended as sarcasm in that I've seen him referred to that way a few times and yet haven't heard Sergio Garcia or Antonio Banderas referred to that way. It strikes me as a transparent attempt by those who use that description to make this an issue of systematic white racism, which I haven't found persuasive yet. And I'm quite familiar with the genetic progeny of the Spanish and Portuguese colonization of the Western Hemisphere and some of the ethnic rivalries it has spawned.
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