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I'm sure everyone who reloads will just turn over their equipment to Uncle Sam. Instead of Moonshiners, there will be a cable show called Bullet Brothers.
When I read a thread like this one, I realize how happy I am that I live in the boondocks. When the urban apocalypse hits, we in rural America will probably not resort to the levels of violence that people in the densely populated areas will at least immediately, or until the urban losers fleeing the violence try to run away and take to the hills trying to steal our food, and then we'll shoot you down like varmints. Most country folk do have some guns around the house.
If you lack the faith of bigturtle and live in a densely populated area, you probably should prepare for defending your homes. And if I were a woman in these times, I might just get a permit to carry too.
OBTW, I've been hunting since I was 12 when it was legal. Shotguns and rifles were all I ever owned, and I can't shoot a pistol worth a darn. Oddly, I don't have a dominant eye and I shoot a gun left handed and a bow and arrow right handed. It's really quite odd.
I didn't hunt til I was 26 (large game and ducks anyway) and I didn't own a pistol til I think 28. People tend to think you have to have a gun in your hand at 13, otherwise you can't be a hunter or gun enthusiast. Late bloomers are welcome to the club.
Not a nut, but i am an enthusiast. 11 firearms, mostly older milsurps gotten for their historical appeal.
Mosin Nagant 91/30 (Tula arsenal 1930)
Mosin Nagant 91/30 (Tula arsenal 1933. match serials (even have the bayonet) and lives in the safe)
Chinese type 53 (1954)
Steyr M95 (1914? not certain)
Nagant revolver (izhevsk arsenal 1945)
Romanian TTC (1953)
Polish P64 (1969)
3 AKs: Saiga 5.45, Saiga 12 gauge, VEPR 7.62x54r
I am fascinated by WW2 and the cold war, so I enjoy collecting military firearms from that period. I'd love to add an SVT 40 at some point.
Why the AK's? Its a rugged design, very lefty friendly, and a well made example is far more accurate than their reputation. Can't beat the value for the price. My VEPR in particular will do 2 inch groups at 100 yards whenever I do my part, and i suspect it could do slightly better in the hands of someone more skilled.
Don't buy a handgun for home defense-get a shotgun. As for a handgun, the Glock 19 is a solid choice. Its reasonably priced, easy to clean, and reliable. Get your ammo at Walmart. As posted, don't sleep in a .22. They are fun to shoot and ammo is cheap.
I have one of them, and it makes me want to toss all my other handguns in the trash. Bitch to clean tho
I've never understood this. The furthest shot I could take in my house is about 20 feet. At that distance, the wad and the buckshot are all still within a 3 inch pattern. With a semi auto pistol you can spray 15 shots at the intruder. With a pump shotgun (as most home defense models are), you're cycling the action over and over to get 5 shots out that are essentially a tightly grouped single projectile anyway.
No way. You can break that thing down in 5 seconds.
Edit: You may be talking about the Kimber, which I believe is tough to clean.
This post was edited by MuddyLake 17 months ago
Better stopping power, easier to operate in the dark with your adrenaline flowing, the sound of the action scares 90% of intruders away before you even get a shot off
Better stopping power (My .40 with Hydroshocks is stopping anyone, any time. The fact that I'm trained with it is just icing)
easier to operate in the dark with your adrenaline flowing (how hard is it to point and pull the trigger; if anything shotguns are cumbersom in tight quarters)
the sound of the action scares 90% of intruders away before you even get a shot off (I think this is another misonception. If they're in my house, they're getting shot. I'm not cycling the shotgun action to audibly scare them. The first and last noise they hear is going to be *boom*)
FWIW, if you have a gun for "home defense" it's more likely that someone in your family is injured by having that weapon in your house than an intruder.
I know people don't like to hear that but it is true.
(I'm very pro-gun ownership BTW, I just think the home defense arguments are overblown and silly).
Well, if you miss, you're risking hitting your neighbor and if you plan on "spraying" the intruder, you'll miss at least once. Lastly, my post was aimed more towards the novice.
Neve rmind. Wrong gun.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MDTerp84 17 months ago
Fair enough. My take is to put 6-8 shots on the torso in 5 seconds, flip on the lights and watch him die. If (when) a few miss, my neighbors won't get hit.
Just got 2 new (old but new to me) guns.
- 1976 Browning BAR-22 Long Rifle w/4x scope
- unknown year Flight King 410 ga. pump, similar to http://www.gunsamerica.com/964137630/HIGH_STANDARD_FLIGHT_KING_DELUXE_410_G.htm
Both in pristine shape, and belonged to a family member.
That is a misleading statistic. I read a pretty good rebuttal to it, I'll see if I can find it again.
The gist of it is that to get the factoid that a gun is more likely to injure a family member than an intruder misleads by picking statistics.
The injury of family members implies accidental discharge but actually includes a lot more. The majority of these injuries are recoil related from normal recreational use. My thumb slips a little high and I get a bad case of slidebite? Accidental firearm injury.
The other end of it is that most defensive firearms uses do not involve firing the weapon, let alone injury to an intruder. In most cases they flee at the sight of armed resistance.
As I said, I'll see if i can track down sources.
116000 defensive uses per year
23000 accidental injuries per year (and his might still include recoil injuries)
From this we can say that a gun is five times as likely to prevent a crime as it is to accidently injure someone.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Dr_Hobo 17 months ago
Fair enough, but I've been told stuff like that by several law enforcement types, not just based on statistics.
[colfax] You believed what a cop told you? [/colfax]
I'm pretty sure bk is correct on this, statistically speaking. If you take the time to be very safe, then this is unlikely, but from an overall pop. count, it's easy to get lazy, sloppy in safe gun care. Largely this means keep it so your kids can't get into them.
I have a Kimber .45 Target (5"), Walther PPQ .40 (4"), Beretta 92 FS 9mm (5"), and a Walther PPK/S .380 (3" - yes Jimmy Bond that's your gun).
Also have a Beretta A400 XPLOR 12 guage shotgun (trap/skeet). There is no pump action to cycle, so no intruder will have a chance to leave early (like half the crowd's at the FB games the last 2 yrs). They may not even hear the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th shots all w/in about 1.5 seconds of the first shot either. One of the fastest automatic shotguns OTC.
. . . . and for old times sake a Remington .22 rifle (forget how many are in the tube) from the early '70s, still looks and shoots great.
Used to have a Remington 700 (.308), set up for long range shooting w/a mil spec scope that costs more than the rifle. Kind of expensive to shoot and I was not that good at figuring out the math for rise and fall, so no sniper school for me.
I also have a Rem 700 in .30-06, that's my deer gun. I shot my o/u today before hunting. Busting clays is awesome. There was this hillbilly guy in the group that was murder with a .410
Ok, I want one of those shotguns. Are they legal?
Edit: found them. Awesome
This post was edited by MDTerp84 17 months ago
You might be interested in a Saiga 12 gauge as well. Semi auto shotgun on an AK platform, I absolutely love mine.
Just as fast as summer73's Baretta too.
Drum in the picture is a 20 round, the mag in the foreground is a 12 rounder.
This post was edited by Dr_Hobo 17 months ago
Correct. The Kimber has one extra step for (dis)assembly, and its massively annoying. Flawless gun otherwise though.
Same posters who don't believe in climate change believe they should own guns.
Same posters who don't believe in climate change DO own guns.
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