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Krugman on board with this. And Sarah Palin was mocked and ridiculed.
We almost never agree with President Obama's favorite economist Paul Krugman, but he recently spoke the truth about where Obama's big-government policies are taking the country.
This post was edited by bigturtle 14 months ago
For such a time as this.
We already have death panels. They're called insurance companies.
I'm not for killing all folks, just old people.
That's where a Democrat like me differs from a Liberal like you, Paulie. If you get this country back to work, a lot of problems go away. If you raise more revenue, a lot of problems go away for attacking the deficits.
Personally, your generation has become sort of like Communist Russia where there were no serious problems as long as their was enough "vodka" to keep the populace in a drunken stupor. I think we should just double the taxes on all alcohol sales and legalize pot and tax the shit out of it too before we take such a crass attitude towards the old and infirm.
Seriously, I once read where some great man said something along the lines that a civilization is judged by how it treats it's children and old people. Just a thought.
Are you starting to get nervous?
I agree. Unfortunately, the government spends seven times as much on old people as it does on children. That's because old people vote and kids don't.
I might be for that too - just depends on what you call old
Oh, not at all. I just spent the last 7 years caring for my Mother who died in November at the age of 98 years 6 months, and I really didn't expect to live as long as I already have. LOL!!! Plus, I am of the "get busy living or get busy dying" school of thought. I have no fears of being old or growing older, and Social Security and Medicare aren't likely to disappear before I do.
Now for you young guns, it is a different story unless things seriously change. I cringe when I see educated people on this board who have never done a day of physical labor in their lives call for extending retirement age to 70. That's fine if you are a professional (and don't get down sized because you become old), but what if you are a common laborer, a brick layer or a coal miner who goes underground every day of his working life to pick a few more physical professions? Those professions kill you or suck the life out of you long before you are 70 and it's not like they have the retirement benefits that most of you/us have.
Bottom line is both sides of the aisles lack compassion, and we have become a nation of lawyers and accountants in our legislative process. We can count the beans, but we haven't done a good job of increasing them, or saving them, or eliminating the waste in our systems, and the fraud and corruption. Instead we become crass and discouraged and look for easy fixes to our real problems. The future is yours and not necessarily mine, and Paulie knows me well enough to know that if I died tomorrow, I have lived a full and productive life. Carry on.
Source? Is that on a per capita basis?
That's not all. We're also "going to have to ... really make decisions about health care, (and) not pay for health care that has no demonstrated medical benefits."
Honestly, how does Death Panel = health care that has no demonstrated medical benefits?
If you will believe bigturtle then you will fall for anything,
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Sure, the 70 year old coal miner probably can't keep working. But what's the solution? SS was never supposed to be a retirement plan, and people end up drawing on it for almost as long as the put in, as lives keep getting longer.
Link? Is that on a per capita basis?
Yep, when SS was started the average age of death was lower than the age at which one could started collecting benefits. And Medicare is the bigger problem.
On a per capita basis, the ratio is 2.4:1. On the federal budget as a whole, it is 7:1.
We should just abort them all, think how much we could save on educating the little munchkins.
Personally, I think means testing is part of the answer. It's a tax just as Medicare is a tax and everyone doesn't need the benefits if they do have a sound retirement plan and can afford their own health care.
Medicare is out of control in terms of spending, and I observed a lot of wasted money in my Mother's end of life care with "In Home Hospice" which is a great option still for someone of sound mind and an aging body that just wore out as my Mother's did.
I also think we have to dis-aggregate the numbers to recognize and eliminate the fraud and waste that is built into the system. Just my opinion.
That is a bit misleading, though. There was a higher rate of infant mortality in those days, which was a big reason for the lower lifespan. In 1940, once a person reached 21 (a few years into working age), they had over a 50% chance of living to be 65. Anybody who died before that point wouldn't have contributed much to social security while making the average lifespan look shorter.
when I'm to old to do things on my own I want to die. I mean if it can be easily fixed sure but if its something major I want to die. If that happened today maybe I could recover and have a normal life but even at 30 if something major happened I'd prefer to not be a burden on my family or society.
There should be an option and if you choose to get care your family must pay the full cost, if you choose to die they get a small payout to cover your final expenses.
Pic Sigs are for losers.
Don't change the game. Just let kids vote.
Lobbyists, mount up.
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This post was edited by RandomTerp 14 months ago
that feeling ebbs as you age.
i'll be 30 in June. I'm not all that young, maybe if I had kids it may but I accept that dying is part of life and when its time to do it, its time to do it.
Why are the Warren Buffets of the world eligible for SS and medicare? Why do you stop paying into SS after 113K or whatever it is.?
There is no way a manual laborer can work past 65, have you ever seen a 60 year old UPS driver?
Getting back to the OP, who has the right to determine who lives and who dies?
Certainly not the POTUS
Why is it on the government to provide for the 65 year old UPS driver?
Well do away with SS then. I know some Pubs that would be all over that.
The right to live til 90 without saving $ or taking care of your health! Life support for all!
This post was edited by strza12 14 months ago
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