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"...“We think this is the year to pass this repeal,” said Jane Henderson, executive director of Maryland Citizens Against State Executions.
Henderson cites what appears to be a less-cluttered agenda for the session as reason for optimism.
“We came up short last year largely because there was so much on the agenda,” Henderson said.
Bills to repeal the death penalty have been introduced, and failed to reach the floor of either chamber for a vote, in 10 of the past 12 legislative sessions..."
After starting out as a supporter of the death penalty, I have completely changed my position because:
1. It is not a deterent, except an executed person cannot kill again.
2. The cost for multiple appeals is more costly then life without parole.
3. There are DA and other prosecutors who make mistakes or are lazy or corrupt so an innocent person might be executed. Then there are witnesses with mistaken identifications.
4. Solitary confinement for 23.5 hours per day for life without parole so that all the killer or perpetrator of a capital crime can do is think why they are in their 6 x 12 and that today will be like everyone of their tomorrows is a worse sentence then a painless needle and a dirt nap.
5. The State punishing murder by killing a person who may not be guilty is in itself an oxymoron.
Nothing but nothing soils a criminal justice system then punishment of an innocent, and the very worst is to execute an innocent. With technology in DNA and in other areas, numerous inmates have been found to have not committed the crime they were found guilty of committing. Our system is not infallible; taking a life cannot be a correct response.
Failure of repeal in California will have little effect, advocates say
DP is barbaric
Here nola nola nola
CAn we wait until after they use in on Marty?
It's only barbaric if you feel that these people should live. I don't think anyone who is a proven murderer and in this day and age that means DNA, etc. Should get the chance to draw breath when the people they killed don't.
If there isn't a mountain of physical evidence by all means have some appeals or don't give out the death penalty, But if not limit the number of appeals to two and be done with it.
Pic Sigs are for losers.
Can you debate my five points as to why I am against the death penalty?
nobody who truly believes in limited government can possibly support the death penalty
Phatboy if you had any balls I'd meet you at the AFA Boxing gym and have Coach Weichers put some gloves on us.
Yea the POS that admittedly murdered my sister and her best friend is alive eating, exercising, reading etc and my sister is dead.
Shortsighted. There will always be the opportunity for wrongful convictions no matter the level of technology.
It's a waste of money. I don't really care otherwise. Punitive retribution is a perfectly valid rationale for sentencing.
Just in this area alone, we have had 2 law enforcement officers who have committed suicide in the last 10 yrs due to 100s of cases where they fabricated evidence. One was a "ballistics expert" who testified in 100s of trials and signed off on reports that led to pleas in 1000s of cases. He lied about his training and fabricated his reports. How many of the folks convicted as a result were actually innocent. I have no clue but if it is 1, that is too many. The other person admitted to fabricating confessions. I believe there was a 3rd officer in the area but I believe that was federal and I don't recall the details.
Even with DNA, data can be corrupted. Dna can be planted. Humans do the testing and input the data into the computers. It's not a flawless system.
If you really feel bitter that the inmate is breathing, take a tour of one of our maximum security facilities. I know this may sound cavalier and obviously, your sister did not deserve her fate, but she is in a far better place than he is. He is rotting in hell on earth while waiting for justice after he passes from this life.
Completely agree. u/v
As a society, I don't know. However, if jdomino took the law in his own hands and there were no doubt that the person he killed was guilty, I'd be reluctant, as a juror, to convict him of anything more than manslaughter. As a judge, I'd be reluctant to sentence him harshly under those circumstances and, with some proof he was compliant with societal guidelines outside of this incident, I'd reconsider his sentence in fairly short order to allow work release or home detention.
I understand your anger. Did the POS, and that is exactly what he is, get life without parole? Or can the POS get out in the future? If there is any possibility of parole, family members are allowed to attend parole hearing, and give testimony. Remember, I support life without parole in solitary confinement in lieu of the death penalty. It is a severe on going, hopeless life, all the same with nothing to do but think why he is there. It is a kin to dying everyday, imo.
Very sorry for your loss. There are evil people around, and some times there is an eye for an eye, but the State should not be doing it!
No I understand the need to be careful with the death penalty not many deserve it. And I understand sometimes evidence is planted and things go wrong. However, in some cases there is evidence, confessions, witness's. In these overwhelming cases the Death Penalty shouldn't be off the table. I know that witness's can lie and confessions can be forced but that is the exception not the rule. I don't like strictly banning it but I don't like the use of it in all scenarios. Solitary confinement would be a nice penalty but the cost I feel is higher and would be cut out by a lawmaker looking to cut spending. Basically I don't feel the need for it to be outlawed but I also don't want everyone to be given the penalty. Just in those cases where it is deserved.
No, the guy will never get out of jail and this all happened in Oregon with my sisters mother. Neighbor abducted, raped and murdered her in 1993. My youngest sister looks a lot like my oldest sister. I always think, what if this guy got out somehow and in the sheer chance he ran across my sister? I know he'd have to escape prison, and then out of the 270 million people in the U.S run into my sister. But these are the irrational thoughts you can have even if someone is behind bars. If he were dead, on the occasions when the topic is fresh in my mind I'd sleep easier. Its hard to explain because its a trainwreck of emotions from hatred, anger, sadness. I appreciate the sympathetic words from all here. I know that your thoughts are coming from a logical and good place. But in the end (thankfully) very few people have to live with the reality that a person that should be in their life was taken away not by nature but by another human being who still has a life, no matter how little freedom.
I've even thought about flying to Oregon and confronting him, but I really don't want him to know my sister exists. Who knows if he is in some sort of gang or anything like that and would want to harm my family. You never get closure until they die or you die. While I know it won't change anyone's mind, I hope it gives you an insight into what the family members of the victims go through.
Yes prison is hell for some, for others it is an environment in which they adapt and thrive. Why do you think after 10 plus years most criminals want to go back? That is their life, they adapt and survive. Would they have been happier on the outside sure but once is their fate the lifers for the most part accept it and find other ways to occupy themselves.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by jgdomino 19 months ago
Color me surprised about the level of discourse in this thread.
TFCIT and being rational about a topic you obviously have a lot of reason to be irrational about. Sorry for your loss.
JG, sorry for your loss. I lost a cousin to a murder/suicide in 2010 and about 3 months later I lost my best friend to his wife having her boyfriend murder him. I know how badly that impacted me and can't even imagine what it would be like to lose someone even closer.
I went through the same progression as Tag for all of the same reasons. I used to be a staunch supporter of the DP but after getting my CJ degree and meeting a couple of lifers in the process I changed my mind. After the two I previously mentioned were murdered I really went back and forth with myself but in the end I feel (and I mean this personally, jg, not meant to downplay your emotions at all) that I got more closure from knowing how miserable my best friend's wife's life would be for the rest of her life compared to my cousins murderer who got off easy. Again, this isn't to say JG is wrong about how he feels but this is how I felt. If you asked my friends sisters they would probably feel more like JG than me.
My Store is hosting a fundraiser next Friday the 21st for The U of Wisconsin Innocence Project. Their budget took a pretty big hit recently and they have been responsible for numerous convicted prisoners, including some on death row, getting their convictions overturned. We have gotten a lot of donations from area businesses, local and touring musicians, sports teams and music venues. Should be a fun night for a group that demonstrates the huge flaws in the death penalty. We are still taking donations for our silent auction :)
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