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The thing is, for as out of control as the House Republicans are portrayed (and it isn't altogether unwarranted), Boehner has 70-80% of them in line to vote for whatever fiscal cliff plan he endorses. That means to pass a plan he needs a certain number of Democrats to come over to offset the dissenting Republicans, which Obama could absolutely make happen if he was so inclined. I'm not saying that Obama needs to endorse a bad plan just for the sake of endorsing a plan, but the idea that the House GOP is this rogue uncontrollable crazy force is kind of outside reality.
Paul's not saying anything elected republican officials aren't saying.
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Yes, but this ignores the internal politics. All it takes is 20-30% of House republicans to deny Boehner the speakership, so it's not like he can just abandon them and work with democrats for a pragmatic solution, unless he doesn't want to be Speaker any more.
I look forward to the day when you can respond with something more thoughtful than "the other guys did/do it too!"
I think the Plan B gambit was hoping that he could get his 70-80% to vote for it and draw over the blue dogs to have it pass the House and then put the pressure on the Senate/Obama to either pass it or look like the intransigent opposition. So I think it seems like he was willing to pass a plan without that minority. He was part of an unsuccessful coup, I think he is confident he can fend one off.
I'll be pretty stunned if Boehner loses his speakership. I think that is just Dem wishful thinking, which is stupid because his replacement will almost certainly be farther to the right than he is.
Go away, KA!
I think that makes sense. I'm a little surprised he wasn't able to garner blue dog support, mainly because of how they view Pelosi. At the same time, blue dogs, while being socially conservative, are economic populists, so I guess it shouldn't be too surprising they agreed with the dem caucus on this one issue.
Still, I wonder if he had brought the bill to the floor whether any dems would have crossed, even though that isn't a risk Boehner would be willing to take.
lol at dems hoping Boehner loses his speakership. The first thing any new speaker will do with try to prove how tough they are by manufacturing a crisis with the White House.
Sorry to keep blowing up this thread, but I also wonder if it wasn't a tactical mistake to let a few dems cross the aisle to pass Plan B. It seems like a much better position than the turmoil Congress finds itself in now.
Does he really? He needed about 90% of his caucus to get Plan B passed and wasn't close. Plan B was an immensely easier vote for them than whatever deal can be worked out with Obama, first because it will raise more taxes and second because it will constitute them actually working with Obama.
Tyranny of the Majority.
The Founders were afraid of it for a reason.
"It's just so hard," Greivis said. "It's my heart, my love. Maryland made me who I am."
Yeah, but I'm sure the founders would be perfectly comfortable with Congressman making pledges to special interest groups and refusing to compromise for the good of the country.
Bankruptcy is good for the country?
Talk about crazies in Congress some more. Just be very afraid to look in the mirror.
also Sohlman, "compromise" involves movement of both parties.
kindly lay out the specific cuts that the Executive Office has advanced towards this "compromise".
we all know the tax part of this has been discussed, and discussed in detail.
where are the spending cuts?
Not sure on Boehner. He certainly is weakened, having gambled and lost.
I think that most Democrats know that Boehner is going to be easier to deal with than any replacement.
Boehner losing his speakership is probably worth it to them though, just due to the negative PR it will generate.
It'll make any deal harder to come by, and while that's probably fine with the President, I doubt Congressional Democrats are going to ultimately be OK with it.
It's unfortunate that the turning point coincides with the most anti-'Constitutional republic' POTUS ever.
Maybe it's good that it also coincides with a financial crevasse. It might limit the damage the assholes in charge can do.
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Paul, I love you as a Terp. I used to respect you as a political poster. You often brought viewpoints backed by intelligent thoughts and reasonable positions. All I hear these days is an MSNBC parody. A failure to grasp reality for the sake of ideology.
Anyway, Happy Holidays!!
This is a great article about the conservative id. Could be describing the posters on here.
I'll take Hypocrisy for $1000 Alex.
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Agreed. I might not like Boehner but the batshit crazies that would be lining up to take his place should scare the crap out of dems.
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9/21/2010...RIP Old IMS.
Google is your friend....but I'm sure none of this is good enough for you even though it's WAY more than Bush ever did. Don't worry about letting facts get in the way of a good ole fox news rant though.
President Obama signed into law $1 trillion in cuts to discretionary spending over the next ten years. As part of the 2011 debt agreement the President cut $1,028 billion in discretionary spending through the Budget Control Act. Together with another $676 billion in discretionary savings through annual appropriations bills and interest savings, this will reduce spending by over $2 trillion. As a result, annual discretionary spending is projected to fall to its lowest levels on record, measured as a share of the economy.
A breakdown of these savings is in Table S-3 (pg 24) of the Mid-Session Review of the President’s Budget.
Furthermore, President Obama has proposed and signed into law the elimination of 77 government programs and cut another 52 programs, saving more than $30 billion annually. This includes taking a hard look at areas he thinks are very important to see what programs are not working, duplicative or no longer needed—which is why the Administration has eliminated 16 programs in the Department of Education, 10 programs at Health and Human Services, and 4 programs at the Department of Labor.
In addition, President Obama has cut or eliminated entitlements including cutting out the middleman in the student loan program to save $19 billion, reducing payments for abandoned mine land reclamation by almost $1 billion and eliminating the Telecommunications Development Fund, and a range of other policies.
Under President Obama’s watch, spending—including the emergency measures in the Recovery Act—grew at the slowest pace since Eisenhower, and far lower than President Reagan’s first term. In the President’s time in office, federal spending has grown at 1.4 percent per year, the slowest pace since Eisenhower, and far lower than the 8.7 percent in President Reagan’s first term.
This analysis has been confirmed by other fact checkers. On May 22, 2012, responding to claims that spending under President Obama had accelerated rapidly, PolitiFact wrote that “Obama has indeed presided over the slowest growth in spending of any president using raw dollars, and it was the second-slowest if you adjust for inflation.”
Obama is bragging about $30 Billion and a few billion here or there. Last time I checked that is less 0.9% of the budget.
Mike Crapo, Senator from Idaho and also a Mormon, busted for DUI in Alexandria.
Damn, bro. Don't you have like a Mormon driver or aide or something who can drive you home if you get hammered?
"And I try to har-mo-nize with songs the lonesome sparrow sings...
There are no kings inside the Gates of Eden."
I haven't changed, maybe you have? Lots of Obama Derangement Syndrome on this board.
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