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And thus we are fucked. Always doing the easy thing instead of the right thing.
Congress does more than Obama or Bush ever did to fuck things up.
And that is the fault of both parties.
If it's, say, 2020 and we're still having this argument, then yeah we're probably fucked. Otherwise, don't be simple.
A lot of GOP trash annoying me on this. Since, we live in this area and it will directly impact a lot I know all these cut government all the time type Republicans who are upset with this. What a joke.
Sequestration is nothing but a joke, as it really doesn't do nearly what it needs to. Just more putting a band aid on a massive wound and pretending all is well
As usual, it's all politics from you. What does Obama get by leading and getting major entitlement reform passed? Oh I don't know, respect maybe? A lasting legacy? But what he gets doesn't matter, it's what the country gets that matters. Doing that would put the country in much better shape for the future. Isn't that what the president (especially a 2nd term president) is supposed to be doing?
Go away, KA!
So you want to wait until we are 4 years from an enormous government program goes insolvent before you even think about making changes to it? Awesome.
Here's the facts:
1. We're $16.7 trillion in debt on which we have to pay interest. This interest goes up as we add to the debt and the interest rate goes up, which will happen sooner or later.
2. We borrow over $100 billion every month (approximately 30 cents out of every dollar we spend) to pay our bills. This borrowing keeps increasing our debt and interest payment, which crowds out spending we can do other things, including discretionary programs that Libs like you like.
3. The biggest driver of our spending is entitlement spending, which is going to go up significantly with the baby boomers retiring.
4. This horrific, end-of-the-world sequester will, at best, trim 3 cents per dollar off of our spending. In other words, we will still be borrowing 27 cents of every dollar we spend even if the sequester goes through all ten years.
The bottom line is entitlement reform impacts us both short term and long term. Stop reading Krugman, please.
Life is politics. This country does not want entitlement reform, and until the electorate is convinced of that, all the wailing about budget outlays two decades from now will mean nothing. They were given a stark choice, with Ryan himself on the ticket, and they chose Obama. They didn't choose him to act like a Republican. If they wanted cuts and privatization and all that mess, they'd have picked Mittens.
Why did Boehner keep walking away when Obama offered chained CPI for SS and other small reforms? As Ds have always feared, it would have been a start, right? Less taboo to mess with entitlements once someone does it the first time, especially if a D president does it. But this GOP is too anal on taxes to make the deal a Reagan or a Bush41 would have made. It's easy when you're not in power to claim that politics shouldn't matter. And after made up crisis after made up crisis, Obama and the Ds are tired of this shit, and any chance there was at a grand bargain is gone.
If entitlement reform mattered short term, then why did the Ryan budget not touch them for 10 years?
He was trying to win an election and not get hammered by dems and the MSM. Good luck with that Paul. His upcoming budget will propose they be touched now.
Nobody wants to touch entitlement reform, that's a given. There is only one viable way to improve revenue to expense ratio, and that's to increase GDP. Unfortunately, Obama would rather stifle economic growth with his agenda in the areas of health care, energy policy, EPA enforcement, global climate change, etc. and insist that the rich can afford to pay for it.
The country is never going to want entitlement reform. Just because people are uninformed idiots doesn't mean the problems are going away.
The only way people might come around on entitlement reform is for the president to explain just how bad the math is. And even that might not be enough. Presently he is having a grand old time taking advantage of their ignorance.
And just for the record, the public wasn't on board with health care reform and that didn't stop him.
Seriously Dems, what do you think Obama's legacy is going to be if he hands his successor $20 trillion in debt and entitlement programs that will be insolvent by the end of their presidency?
Judging by the fact that the president is still not releasing a plan, I'm assuming he and the rest of you lemmings find such a scenario totally fine.
This post was edited by terps687 14 months ago
Please name the entitlement programs that will be insolvent in 2016. And in an alternate universe, President Romney hands President Clinton a $20T debt in 2016 too. I don't think you guys realize what kind of island you're on. You can call is Smart People Island if it makes you feel better about yourselves, but it's still an island, and it's a small portion of the electorate.
Also, the idea that if only Obama explained to people how bad the entitlement math is people would get it and everything would be hunky dory is hilarious on its face. And stop pretending the GOP has no role to play in this. They have given Obama no reason to step out on that ledge.
"His" presidency was referring to obama's successor. It was poorly worded.
The rest of your post is lol. Math is now smart people island apparently. Again, ignoring the problems doesn't make them go away.
I thought liberals were all about giving people the medicine that is best for them even if they don't want it? And that all it takes is explaining things better and people will like it?
Your last sentences are absolutely correct. The GOP is playing politics with this just as much or more than Obama and the Democrats, so I don't think there is ground for republicans to be sanctimonious about this. The shame of it all is that if you gave Boehner and Obama absolute power over their parties, a decent deal would have been made two years ago. It wouldn't have been perfect and there would be additional work needed, but it would have been a good start. I know you aren't a fan of the "both sides are wrong" line, but the GOP royally screwed it up back then and I think the Democrats with their "we won, we shouldn't have to make concessions" attitude are screwing it up now, with an assist from Boehner's non-sensical machinations.
Also want to respond to this, I would imagine that if Obama came out tomorrow and said he wanted to discuss large scale entitlement reform, I'm guessing Republicans would listen and negotiate. Obviously, since this is nothing more than a hypothetical (and certainly seems like it will always remain a hypothetical) it's impossible to predict the outcome.
Also, I was unaware that the President needs a reason beyond improving the country to propose reforms that will leave the country better off for decades to come. This is news to me, thanks for informing me.
I think this gets to the heart of the matter. The Roman Republic had it right...when things went to shit, they appointed a dictator on a temporary basis to deal with the crisis. And when it was over, he was removed and the republic carried on. If our gov't could do such a thing, we'd be able to fix all of our problems in no time. I agree that if Boehner and Obama were given the power to sit in a room, smoke a carton of cigs and make a big deal, they could do it in a matter of hours. Problem is, and always will be, Congress.
I think the GOP is the problem here, obviously, but the Dems have some blame as well. But I also think to some degree they do deserve to have the attitude that "Hey, we just won pretty big, so we dictate policy now." And some insistence that the House GOP remember that they're the minority party, that just took a pretty big rebuke and were only saved by gerrymandered, safe districts. I still think Obama would do something on entitlements if the House would just give him something big enough to show off to the Congressional Dems to make them see it was worth it. People act like he should just enact the Ryan plan on his own, and that's just not realistic.
They don't want spending cuts either, unless you poll them in the abstract. Once you get into specifics, they crumble (as I noted earlier) like wet tissues.
It's like Bart Simpson and cursive in his new classroom.
"Bart, do you know cursive?"
"I know of it..."
The American people know of large-scale spending cuts, they just don't know large-scale spending cuts.
"And I try to har-mo-nize with songs the lonesome sparrow sings...
There are no kings inside the Gates of Eden."
From all of us on Smart People Island:
Enjoy the decline.
This post was edited by notaterpterp 14 months ago
Paul puts way too much faith/stock in a bunch of idiots from places like Youngstown and Breezewood that currently make up our electorate. Of course the public isn't going to be excited for austerity, most of them probably don't have a clue why it's necessary. If Obama was simply following his constituents we wouldn't have Obamacare but that was an important part of his agenda so he did it anyways. Don't act like he's hamstrung by the people on cutting expenses, it's just an easy excuse since he doesn't want to do it.
According to Pew Research Center, 10% support cutting SS and 15% support cutting Medicare. There's a bit more opposition than Youngstown and Breezewood.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by PaulUMD 14 months ago
and in a recent poll commissioned by me, 98% of Americans want to be millionaires, and drive Porsche's.
leadership requires more than reacting to today's polling data.
hell, in that same Pew poll you cited, 29% of Americans don't even know what sequestration is.
so, by all means let's govern by today's polling data.
Wtf with the unnecessary potshot against Breezewood
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