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I thought it was a terrible statement yesterday when they were just climbing the walls of our sovereign territory and burning our flags too.
I know it's not right, but things like this always make me wish, at least momentarily, that we had John Travolta's character from Swordfish working for us.
"Stanley: War? Who are we at war with?
Gabriel: Anyone who impinges on America's freedom. Terrorist states, Stanley. Someone must bring their war to them. They bomb a church, we bomb ten. They hijack a plane, we take out an airport. They execute American tourists, we tactically nuke an entire city. Our job is to make terrorism so horrific that it becomes unthinkable to attack Americans. "
But it's wrong, and unlike those dipshits over there that are responsible for this stuff, we're better than that. We really should comandeer four oil fields and hand the cash to the victims' families. At least then, Libya is paying for their f*** up in some way.
There was a very long read in the New Yorker that goes into detail about Salman Rushdie's writing of "The Satanic Verses," the reaction, and what his life has been life since the fatwa was issued against him and he had to go into hiding. I reflect many times a day on how messed up or depressing certain aspects of American culture are, but how broken is a culture where the reaction to the slightest insult is rioting, death threats, and murder? I know that many/most Muslims and College Park residents don't agree with the extremists in their midsts, but it sure seems like the extremists have too much power.
When the book was in its third consecutive week as No. 1 on the New York Times best-seller list, John Irving, who found himself stuck at No. 2, quipped that, if that was what it took to get to the top spot, he was content to be runner-up.
Not unless you think our butting in everyone's business causes these factions to proliferate.
Whatever you believe, pretty soon we won't have the money to be the world's cop anyway.
Definition of APOLOGETIC
a : offered in defense or vindication
b : OFFERED BY WAY OF EXCUSE or apology
For the troll with the locked thread:
on behalf of all atheists and religion haters, please stfu.
This. And I'm not sure why it matters that it was released before any violence occurred. They knew a violent mob was coming because they evacuated the embassy beforehand. So they made that statement with full knowledge that islamists were planning a demonstration that would likely turn violent.
Egypt, yes. Libya, no. We could have handled that situation much differently.
But I'm sure some French and British businessmen got some good deals in the aftermath... and that's all that matters anyhow.
I created that new topic in the hopes of having an intelligent discussion about what causes these "crazy" terroists to become crazy in the first place. Since the topic is locked I suppose I'll have to write about it in a book.
Well, it matters that it was released before the violence to the extent that people keep arguing and acting as if it was released after the violence...
It seems a bit odd to criticize someone for their inappropriate response to violence when the response you are criticizing was made before the violence, but maybe that's just me....
more likely a pamphlet. And when you had it to me on the street with that crazed look in your eye, no I won't give you a dollar but I will be happy to give you a cigarette.
Since obviously no one has the answer, i fall back on the old aphorism, "It's better to be feared than loved."
I thought this was a well balanced article for anyone looking for the context of what actually happened.
I'm more interested in the real response from the administration, rather than their first public statement. It's just ridiculously obvious that this has the potential to catch us with our pants down just as the 1979 Iranian embassy attack did. This is why I find Romney's statements so potent...this isn't just politics, it's real-world shit and we need to get out in front of this before we find out we don't like where it's going. From Romney's perspective, this probably fits in with his general campaign stance that Obama's simply incompetent.
But if they knew an angry, likely violent mob was coming, as they clearly did since they evacuated the embassy, isn't the statement just a preemptive response to the coming violence?
The admin is distancing itself from initial apology from Cairo embassy, so even they acknowledge it was not a good statement.
The Obama administration is disavowing a statement from its own Cairo embassy that seemed to apologize for anti-Muslim activity in the United States. an administration official told POLITICO. The U.S. embassy in Cairo...
Go away, KA!
Are you and frode forgetting we bombed the Libyan army in submission, cut off all of their supplies, gave the rebels intel and weapons and sunk the entire Libyan navy? MQ would have quelled that rebellion quickly or at the very least held on to 2/3rds of the country.
How is any of that a threat to our safety. It looks like thats what happened in Egypt anyway, with our help. They've elected the Muslim Brotherhood into office and they have now stationed troops at Isreals border and are buddying up with Iran. We are now, I believe, helping the same people we were fighting in Iraq to overthrow the Syrian govt. I'm sure thats a good idea. None of this is our business and we would do well to stay out of it and deal with the winners on a the playing field they choose.
Do you really want to police the world? I don't. We don't have the money or the resolve to do it the correct way.
Also, hows that nation building going in Afghanistan after 11 years.
It was a statement from the Cairo embassy before the killing...it wasn't Obama's statement after the head of the US mission was killed. If you don't see the difference there, I'm not really sure what to say.
There's enough stuff here to be pissed about without just making up reasons to be pissed about.
@DylanByers: THE ATTACKERS IN LIBYA PLANNED THE ASSAULT IN ADVANCE, USED THE PROTESTS AS COVER, U.S. SOURCES TELL CNN
So what we're really talking about is a terrorist attack not some civilian uprising.
This makes me so angry. It probably wouldn't be the most prudent response, but a retaliatory strike would slake my bloodlust.
Yup. This isn't about the stupid video at all.
"(12:54:09 PM) vile_rat: assuming we don't die tonight. We saw one of our 'police' that guard the compound taking pictures."
UPDATED: Ned Coker of CCP has emailed Eurogamer with the following tribute to Sean
Gotta know who to strike first. But there will be blood if this was a terrorist group.
This whole thing makes me feel terrible. I would say I can't believe Romney took a desperate, opportunist shot at the admin with little to no information about what was actually happening on the ground, but in the end it's quite believable that he'd go there.
Just to make sure I understand everyone's role (from reading the twitters, not just this thread)...
Intern in Cairo embassy: "We think the guy who posted that video is a dick too. Plz don't kill me."
American right-leaning political idiot: "OMG OBAMA'S SO WEAK AND WANTS TO TAKE AWAY MY FREE SPEECH."
American left-leaning political idiot: "OMG WE WOULDN'T HAVE TO APOLOGIZE IF IT WEREN'T FOR W."
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