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what have I been wrong about?

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/01/02/highfructose-corn-syrup-alters-human-metabolism.aspx

I had to listen to someone lecture me the other day about how bad eggs are for you because her doctor told her so. It was infuriating.

When you said sugar makes you fat and complex carbs don't, you lost any type of authority you might have on any nutrition subject.

I'm not really huge on supplements, but I've found that the low-carb protein shake that I use (Metabolic Drive) is much more satiating than most of the others I have tried. It's more expensive than some, but also a lot cheaper than me going to get a salad at Whole Foods. And the high-carb/protein drink (Surge) is basically just gatorade with some added protein and I have noticed that I recover from my ninja workouts a lot more quickly when I drink it regularly. I also notice that I have much more energy for my workouts (on average) when I keep my protein intake fairly high.

I'm not really trying to lose fat right now, though, basically just trying to eat so that I can recover enough to roll 6-7 times a week. I am gaining a bit of muscle and losing a bit of fat at the same time (based on mirror test and my weight going up and belt getting looser), but that's more secondary.

There are tons of flaws in that article, although I agree that sugar is terrible for you.

You have provided nothing objective that is even remotely supportive of your claims. Just tersely replying with "you are so wrong" doesn't do much to support your babble.

Additionally, you also provided this link: http://www.ajcn.org/content/86/2/276.full which has nothing to do with anything we were discussing (saturated fat)? You just provide random links that have nothing to do with anything we discussed.

I mean I'm kind of a hippie myself, but Dr. Mercola is pretty much THE expert on hippie nutrition. I'd be interested to know what you think is wrong in that article.

• When you eat 120 calories of glucose, less than one calorie is stored as fat. 120 calories of fructose results in 40 calories being stored as fat. Consuming fructose is essentially consuming fat!

Edit: maybe that isn't "wrong", but it is very misleading.

Not to refute any of the specific claims in this thread, but in general, people need to be very careful when reading "scientific studies." The list of potential issues are endless. Unless you A. have knowledge of statistics and B. Have the knowledge of the sciences used in the study, you shouldn't draw too many conclusions from any study. Even when they are cited by reputable sources, they aren't always legitimate. When dealing with health/nutrition, your best bet is to find a good doctor who you trust. There is a reason the trends in nutrition change so quickly.

As anecdotal evidence, my GF was being offered 500-1000 dollars per participant she could recruit for a study that would ultimately "prove" that starting babies on formula directly after childbirth would provide health benefits over breast feeding. When published, it would appear to be an NIH backed study. Underneath the surface, it was funded by one of the largest formula manufacturers. This is extremely common in the industry, so be careful with what you read.

very true. "My friend" does a lot of work with diet studies, and there are other issues too

I don't believe 100% of anything anybody says, including my wife, mother and kids.

I am not arguing that if you binge eat on complex carbs, that you won't get fat. I never said if you eat too many calories of anything, you won't gain weight. Not sure how you got that.

Part of my point was that not all carbs are bad, and that the gov't isn't completely incorrect. If you completely avoid complex carbs, that may not be a healthy adjustment to your diet. the FDA and USDA are lacking, but to completely discount them in replacement of magazines and blogs may not be the best path.

the satiety of complex carbs is quite good. the satiety of saturated fat is also good. it's just that saturated fat can increase your LDL cholesterol, a major risk factor for heart disease. Complex carbs, due to their satiety, are more likely to keep you full/ eating less calories (AND have less correlation with heart disease).

Personally, lean meat, complex carbs, fruits, vegetables, low fat dairy, seeds, and nuts have done great for my overall diet and health. And, I haven't found any legit documentation that states I should do otherwise.