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We're in the market for a SUV type car.

Should we go new CRV or used? Looks like CRV's hold their value really well.

I drove an explorer for years and only recently sold it to try to fix up and squeeze some miles out of a car that was left in my driveway for years by my punkass brother. The car just does not fit my needs at all, even in the city.

I tore up the back of the explorer pretty bad throwing shit in there all the time. Also, a pickup would probably allow me to get rid of my motorcycle trailer, and in the near future there is a good chance I will need to tow something too heavy for most non-tank suvs (boat, travel trailer).

I feel like everyone drives a CRV or a RAV 4. The new Chevy Equinox/GMC Terrain were ranked really high on a small SUV list I saw recently. I like the design of the Ford Escape and Mitsubishi Outlander better than the CRV and RAV4 as well.

Stumbled across this and the mileage made my eyes pop at that year/price. Wonder if it's got a branded title or something. Thinking about heading up there to take a look at it this weekend.

Hyundai is actually targeting Lexus and Infinity with the Genesis, not necessarily the germans. However, the publications have put it in a similar category. There's no comparison to the BMW. I've driven a 540i-M sport package for 10 years and I'm fairly certain that it's still more fun to drive than most new cars today. But the reality is spending $50K 10 years ago without kids was doable, spending $65-70K now with $4.30 gas is kinda a turn off. I checked out the genesis R-spec, 435hp 0-60 in 5 seconds, you're talking about S550 or BMW 550 power output. But of course the road feel is nowhere close to that of the bmw, and no throaty sound to go along with that massive output. I can get over the badge, been there done that. the road feel and cheaper material are more real concerns. Otherwise, the genesis did relative well against many of the luxury brands, it's a prudent alternative for $47K list. that's fully loaded.

I have the Sonata and have been pleased with it for the price I paid. I've hardly had an issue with it. It's a 2007 vehicle and I'm right around 70K miles on it right now.

My mom had a hyundai (santa fe) as her last car (bmw 328 now), and I don't care how much they are improving the actual car....the biggest problem with them was their dealers and the service department. The repair prices are outrageous and the quality of work was awful. Dealer she bought the car from forgot to reattach the radiator hose correctly and a few hours later ended up on the ground of the Garden State Parkway. Had to pull off next exit where there was a sears auto place. Was about $1500 in damage, and not a cent back from Hyundai until a lawyer got involved. After that went to another dealer where they could not have been ruder. I know you don't have to go to the dealers for repairs, but they were the one's who would give the loaner she needed to get to work.

I am in market as this spring looking for new lease. Down to the X5 and Audi Q7.

Have you driven a modern diesel? I have driven new TDI's where honestly you can't even really tell that they are diesels. They have a different sound, but they aren't noisy, and there is no smoke like the diesels of old. Direct injection is a wonderful thing.

No and that's why I am asking. Never considered them for the reasons I listed.

Btw, give me a car with better bang for the buck than the genesis?

As someone who leases cars the long term warranty doesn't help much anyway. To me more impt are the service plans that some offer. With BMW you don't pay a dime for anything for the entire lease. I know what my lease payment is per month, and that is the actual cost of ownership. The inlaws lexus has high service costs on top of the lease.

I'm so hesitant about a lot of the VWs because of the timing belt issues. That's major maintenance and it has to be done, at most, at 70,000 miles? My last car (Nissan) went almost 200,000 before it needed the timing chain replaced.

Not a risk I'd personally take as I'm fairly sure they are interference engines. FWIW, Volkswagon recommends Timing Belt replacement at 60,000.

On which engine? I'm pretty sure my B5.5 Passat said 105 per the manual.