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  • ledterrapin said...

    While you're at it, re-examine your first paragraph for the type of lazy grammatical effort that law schools and your potential legal employers WILL NOT tolerate.

    What exactly about your skill set makes you exceptional in the least? What makes you think you are worthy of a scholarship? These are the questions about which you need to do some serious soul-searching.

    You need to re-examine your first paragraph for the type of unnecessary douchebaggery that is expected of lawyers, but not tolerated by message board posters.

    Cletus

  • mattw75 said...

    They don't look at me as a cautionary tale, but as a role model.

    As they should.

    On the first day of school I make sure to tell my students that I was the Manuscripts Editor at the Journal of Health Care Law and Policy at the University of Maryland School of Law. They're so impressed that the rest of the year is smooth sailing.

    I'm still bitter that I didn't make that journal (even though I did make The Business Lawyer, which was more prestigious), because I had decided that I was going to work in-house for Big Healthcare.

    MisterSmiley ●

  • Cletus said...

    You need to re-examine your first paragraph for the type of unnecessary douchebaggery that is expected of lawyers, but not tolerated by message board posters.

    Yeah, I used to care about message board grammar, but not so much now. I save that shit for work emails.

    MisterSmiley ●

  • Cletus said...

    You need to re-examine your first paragraph for the type of unnecessary douchebaggery that is expected of lawyers, but not tolerated by message board posters.

    LOL. +1.

    terps99 ●

  • ledterrapin said...

    While you're at it, re-examine your first paragraph for the type of lazy grammatical effort that law schools and your potential legal employers WILL NOT tolerate.

    What exactly about your skill set makes you exceptional in the least? What makes you think you are worthy of a scholarship? These are the questions about which you need to do some serious soul-searching.

    ha, I'll be sure to meet your rigorous standards next time. I'm sure my future employers are too busy reading 286's two girls dilemma or even cracking a smile at Redandwhite's parody of this very thread!

    But more than likely, people are reading that post thinking to themselves "man, that guy is a douche".

    patterp09

  • I was sitting on a hiring panel at Harvard just two days ago and was asked what firms look for in law students -- wish I could go back in time and respond with "proper grammar in online postings."*

    *Having said that, I definitely do an internet check on people I'm interviewing and look unfavorably upon anyone who posts dumb stuff on Facebook and/or posts in a manner most associated with how 16-year-old girls text.

    terps99 ●

  • JemoTerp said...

    If you're going to law school because you don't know what to do next, don't go to law school.

    There's one good reason to go to law school - you really and truly want to be a lawyer.

    This. I'm not in law school, nor do I have any desire to ever go, but I know a bunch of people who graduated with Liberal Arts degrees, and were farily intelligent with good GPA's, but didn't know what they wanted to do after graduation, so they figured, "screw it, I'll go to law school!" If you don't know what you want to do with your life and/or don't want to get a "real" job, then fine, but it's dumb to spend 100K+ in tuition just because you don't want to get a job.

    ptownterp ●

  • ledterrapin said...

    You are talking out of your ass until you have actually worked in a law office. Read what you just wrote in your first paragraph and examine how contradictory it sounds.

    Also, what's your GPA and your latest LSAT practice score? What year in college are you? What is your major? I guarantee you are already lacking the experience most of your law applicant peers have.

    TLS temp ban your account so you've headed over here?

    Constructive criticism is all well and good, but you don't need to be such a condescending prick about it.

    HoopheadVII: "Guess you won't say, "Sorry I'm a little off today" anytime again soon; Eaglesception is a bitch"

    EaglesLegendz ●

  • EaglesLegendz said...

    TLS temp ban your account so you've headed over here?

    Constructive criticism is all well and good, but you don't need to be such a condescending prick about it.

    On the other hand, this is probably what OP has to look forward to for all of law school and his career ( if he ends up at a firm).

    MisterSmiley ●

  • My sister is in her 2nd year right now at Emory Law and I can tell you that she is kind of freaking out. I think she is on the edge of the top 25% of her class and has applied to tons of firms and has not yet received any offers, she did have an internship last summer. Several of her friends that are looking for jobs are not being hired. I don't really know enough about the field to say not to go to Law School for sure. But I can say that it is an extremely expensive endeavor and is not as easy a field to get a job in as it used to be.

    I am also kind of curious if anyone on this site has any recommendations for my sister as to what she should do. She is trying to get into some sort of media law.

    wbonnington

  • wbonnington said...

    My sister is in her 2nd year right now at Emory Law and I can tell you that she is kind of freaking out. I think she is on the edge of the top 25% of her class and has applied to tons of firms and has not yet received any offers, she did have an internship last summer. Several of her friends that are looking for jobs are not being hired. I don't really know enough about the field to say not to go to Law School for sure. But I can say that it is an extremely expensive endeavor and is not as easy a field to get a job in as it used to be.

    I am also kind of curious if anyone on this site has any recommendations for my sister as to what she should do. She is trying to get into some sort of media law.

    Where does she want to practice / where is she applying? I assume by media law you mean some kind of entertainment law?

    terps99 ●

  • terps99 said...

    Where does she want to practice / where is she applying? I assume by media law you mean some kind of entertainment law?

    Yeah I think it is entertainment law. She wants to work in either DC or Atlanta and I think she has been applying to mostly medium to bigger firms so far. I don't really know, but I think she said most of the smaller firms don't look for interns until the spring. And the internship last summer was at the ACLU in Atlanta.

    wbonnington

  • I apologize for being in an exceptionally bad mood when I posted that. Sometimes I'm glad I made the decision to go. Today, I was not.

    ledterrapin

  • wbonnington said...

    Yeah I think it is entertainment law. She wants to work in either DC or Atlanta and I think she has been applying to mostly medium to bigger firms so far. I don't really know, but I think she said most of the smaller firms don't look for interns until the spring. And the internship last summer was at the ACLU in Atlanta.

    Emory probably gives her a much better chance in Atlanta than DC doesn't it? Seems like DC is dominated by UVA, Georgetown, Penn, and the Ivys.

    Devils0720 ●

  • wbonnington said...

    Yeah I think it is entertainment law. She wants to work in either DC or Atlanta and I think she has been applying to mostly medium to bigger firms so far. I don't really know, but I think she said most of the smaller firms don't look for interns until the spring. And the internship last summer was at the ACLU in Atlanta.

    That's correct. Most of the large firms are done with their summer hiring (and have been done for a few months now). Most of the small firms won't know their hiring needs until the spring.

    I don't know much about entertainment law, but it seems to me that this is a rather specialized area of the law that very few people go into fresh out of law school. I'd imagine that she is also applying more generally; unfortunately, like she is undoubtedly finding out, it's a tough market out there.

    terps99 ●

  • Devils0720 said...

    Emory probably gives her a much better chance in Atlanta than DC doesn't it?

    Yes, which is why I asked where she wanted to be. Going to school at Emory would suggest the answer is Atlanta, but wasn't sure if the focus on entertainment law meant she wanted to be in LA or something.

    terps99 ●

  • terps99 said...

    That's correct. Most of the large firms are done with their summer hiring (and have been done for a few months now). Most of the small firms won't know their hiring needs until the spring.

    I don't know much about entertainment law, but it seems to me that this is a rather specialized area of the law that very few people go into fresh out of law school. I'd imagine that she is also applying more generally; unfortunately, like she is undoubtedly finding out, it's a tough market out there.

    Yeah she definitely is finding that out. Someone talked to my Dad and recommended she look into a clerkship for a judge, which is apparently very low paid if at all but looks great on a resume. Is this a good plan or is she better off keeping looking into internships with smaller firms?

    Thanks for all the help you guys have offered.

    wbonnington

  • wbonnington said...

    Yeah she definitely is finding that out. Someone talked to my Dad and recommended she look into a clerkship for a judge, which is apparently very low paid if at all but looks great on a resume. Is this a good plan or is she better off keeping looking into internships with smaller firms?

    Thanks for all the help you guys have offered.

    I know at my firm virtually all of the summer associates now have clerkships and then come back to start after they are done.

    Devils0720 ●

  • become a CPA... honestly. You see my post, Im a certified moron and Lord Willing Ill be at a top 10 school come this fall. In 2 years, Ill hire Kunal as my personal legal counsel, and make it rain all over you hoes.

    Mr Tiffles7673 ●

  • wbonnington said...

    Yeah I think it is entertainment law. She wants to work in either DC or Atlanta and I think she has been applying to mostly medium to bigger firms so far. I don't really know, but I think she said most of the smaller firms don't look for interns until the spring. And the internship last summer was at the ACLU in Atlanta.

    That's a tough, tough field to break into - lots of people want to do it. And I spent a law school summer at the ACLU of Maryland. It was great hands-on legal experience, but lousy for getting a job after school. The same is true for summers at most nonprofits.

    gocaps1

  • wbonnington said...

    Yeah she definitely is finding that out. Someone talked to my Dad and recommended she look into a clerkship for a judge, which is apparently very low paid if at all but looks great on a resume. Is this a good plan or is she better off keeping looking into internships?

    Tell her to apply everywhere. But yes, working for a judge often looks better on a resume than working for some random small firm or solo practitioner.

    terps99 ●

  • Devils0720 said...

    I know at my firm virtually all of the summer associates now have clerkships and then come back to start after they are done.

    I think you are talking about clerkships in the context of a full year clerkship after law school. He is talking about clerkships in the context of externships during the 2L summer.

    terps99 ●

  • I work in a big law firm (for now), not doing law tho. I see profiles of every new hire. Clerkships are great resume builders as is working for the law journal. however, if you are not in a top 15 law school and in the top 10-20% you will not be getting a job at the firm I work at straight out of college. You'd need to build your resume for a couple years then come in making the same as the ivy leaguers fresh out of school.

    This post was edited by Johnyp23 on 1/18/2012 at 11:44 PM

    Johnyp23

  • terps99 said...

    I think you are talking about clerkships in the context of a full year clerkship after law school. He is talking about clerkships in the context of externships during the 2L summer.

    Precisely

    wbonnington

  • EaglesLegendz said...

    Dont take out 6 figure debt to go to a school with dim job prospects.

    wave

    fingergun

    "It's just so hard," Greivis said. "It's my heart, my love. Maryland made me who I am."

    RaiseHigh ●

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