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Anyone else affected by the possible gov't shutdown?

  • BtownHeel said...

    G$ has a point, but he carries it too far (private sector bias just like the public workers here have fed bias). I am all aboard with cutting the fed by 20% across all sectors though (including DoD) over a 5-10 year scale. I've spent enough time within the government system to see just how wasteful and redundant lots of things are. 20% wouldn't cause a ripple if people practiced some decent accounting/efficiency

    dingdingding

    MuddyLake

  • I was kind of joking about cutting 100% of non-essential. I've posted earlier in more serious jest 20% was prob about right.

    The thing about pay scale is that you have to match revenue with expenses. If you don't, you get a deficit. If revenues (tax receipts) don't match expenses for a pro-longed period of time you need to make cuts. Also realize that the cost of health and retirement benefits have skyrocketed. The average health insurance plan went up 15% YoY in 2011. So even if your comp is flat and your employer is contributing 80% of the premium you got a 12% raise just there.

    goterpss

  • frode said...

    Yeah I see one more CR before there's a shutdown. Just reading the tea leaves in how Congress has voted. There probably won't be gridlock on a new CR unless one side tries to go too far with it (or not far enough).

    I suspect that if there's another CR, conservatives are going to explode.

    SATerp ●

  • I don't think Boehner can control the tea people in his caucus. He wants to make a deal but he'll get killed for it on the right. Don't see another CR unless things change really quick.

    PaulUMD

  • Anybody else surprised how little media coverage this thing is getting around here? Most people seem more concerned about the NFL shutdown than the gov't shutdown.

    mphTERP

  • PaulUMD said...

    I don't think Boehner can control the tea people in his caucus. He wants to make a deal but he'll get killed for it on the right. Don't see another CR unless things change really quick.

    I don't seem him finding enough votes for another CR. People were pretty clear that the current one is the last one they are going to support.

    PubPub

  • Ters98 said...

    No site that I'm aware of. Unfortunately OMB isn't really putting out any clear guidelines on what to do in the shutdown, since that would be them admitting there is going to be a shutdown. Each agency is pretty much tasked with figuring out how they are going to handle it, most seem to be going off of what they did back in the mid-90s. As far as contracts a lot depends on how they're structured and funded. A lot will continue to go on and be paid, but there are some that will be shutdown and then its up to how that company is going to handle it, I know of some that will be in the same boat as the government employees and not get paid during the shutdown. The last go round the government employees ended up getting retroactively paid for the time during the shutdown, I'd be very surprised with the current economical conditions if that was done this go round. Those government employees that are required to work during the shutdown will get paid, but not until the shutdown is ended. So its really not a 'shutdown' if a lot of the government continues to operate. If they really wanted to make a point they really should shut down the government and stop all services. All this does is lead people to believe that they really don't need the government, if they 'shutdown' and they're still able to go about their daily activities.

    Thanks for the insight. The rumors in my office are based on what occurred during the last go round. My contract will not be paid so if this comes to fruition, I'm going to file for unemployment. Then, I have to decide if I want to pull the trigger on using the vacation week on my kids' daycare or try to supplement my UI by hanging around the Home Depot parking lot. The latter reminds me of the Jim Carrey's scene in the Dick & Jane movie where he gets rounded up and deported to Mexico, which is a possibility since I live in San Diego. But, I am surprised by the lack of media coverage in the Post, given the bulk of affected workers in that region.

    NumbaOneStunna

  • BtownHeel said...

    G$ has a point, but he carries it too far (private sector bias just like the public workers here have fed bias). I am all aboard with cutting the fed by 20% across all sectors though (including DoD) over a 5-10 year scale. I've spent enough time within the government system to see just how wasteful and redundant lots of things are. 20% wouldn't cause a ripple if people practiced some decent accounting/efficiency

    Completely agree with this. I think Neal is right though that some of this will be solved once the Baby Boomers retire. I know my office is essentially eliminating those positions once those people retire or leave, although they are replacing them in some cases with other positions that require much more high qualified employees.

    charmcity3131 ●

  • Ditto on that...we have at least 3 positions being vacated shortly w/ a couple old fuckers who are on KMA time (not slackers, but certainly won't go above and beyond their duties w/out series griping). These positions will not be filled when they're gone. Just a drop in the bucket, but I think we can easily continue operating minus these positions.

    Im ready for aa 5th of vodica to end my feels.

    JJBittenbinder ●

  • My wife and I are both feds and neither will be affected (I'm considered essential, and she works at the federal courthouse, which will remain open). We're very lucky. I feel badly for those that will be affected, especially those that are raising children. It sucks that $30M out of a budget of $3.8T (if my math is right that comes to .000008%) is going to disrupt the lives of so many people.

    RedDog58

  • What I have started noticing a bunch is the republicans are out in full force the past few days trying to get out ahead of the blame game for a shut-down. I keep seeing one after another talk about the Pelosi (lol...she isn't even the leader), Reid and Obama goal to destroy America and if a shut-down does happen it will be because the democrats. I think they see it coming and they're doing their best to redirect the blame from themselves since it's the republican congress that is responsible anyway. It's been rather amusing. I think Paul is right....I'm thinking Boner can't seem to find a middle ground because of the tea party. They also are hurting themselves with all these riders they keep throwing on these bills like de-funding NPR and such.

    9/21/2010...RIP Old IMS.

    Kaisersayzo

  • The tea partiers seem to have this crazy idea that any compromise is wrong and are therefore terrified of looking bad.

    But compromise is how the system works.

    bkmalik ●

  • frode said...

    Because the dirty little secret is that very little actually comes to a halt during a shutdown.

    What ends up happening really is a bunch of random middle class people get fucked for not being the problem, and everything else carries on.

    bkmalik ●

  • It does seem like the two sides are slowly moving towards the middle of their initial proposals, the question is can they get there before the deadline? I don't think another CR is in the cards.

    neal990 ●

  • I think it's a very good training and experience for any work force to realize that your paychecks aren't guaranteed. You shouldn't be living paycheck to paycheck so much (i know it's hard on a straight salary)

    goterpss

  • I never thought I'd utter these words, but SAVE US, HEATH SHULER!

    House Republican leaders turn to moderate Democrats for budget deal - The Washington Post

    House Republican leaders have begun courting moderate Democrats on several key fiscal issues, including a deal to avoid a government shutdown at the end of next week.

    www.washingtonpost.com

    frode ●

  • heh:

    They are currently preparing a resolution — dubbed “The Government Shutdown Prevention Act” — that would formally scold the Senate for failing to act (some 39 days after the House passed a long-term budget resolution, H.R. 1, to cut federal spending by $61 billion) and urge them to pass a spending bill. It would also publicly reiterate the urgency of the situation — the current resolution funding the government expires on April 8.

    The resolution will stipulate that if the Senate fails to pass a bill before April 6 that funds the government through the remainder of the fiscal year (September 30), H.R. 1 would become “the law of the land,” and members of Congress would stop receiving their paychecks.

    GOP Preps ‘Shutdown Prevention Act’

    Andrew Stiles writes on NRO: As Bob mentions in his interview with Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R., Calif.), House Republicans are planning new legislation attempting to force the Senate to come up with a long-term spending bill of its own. GOP leaders offered more details at a press conference this morning. They are currently preparing a . . .

    www.nationalreview.com

    frode ●

  • Well that's amazingly cynical and stupid.

    PaulUMD

  • More a tactical thing than a substantive thing, IMO...just firing a shot across their bow.

    frode ●

  • PaulUMD said...

    Well that's amazingly cynical and stupid.

    Seriously...just trying to position the blame for when it happens. They can't get their plan through...or even come to a compromise in their own party so now it's time to start the blame game early. Hilarious.

    9/21/2010...RIP Old IMS.

    Kaisersayzo

  • Kaisersayzo said...

    Seriously...just trying to position the blame for when it happens. They can't get their plan through...or even come to a compromise in their own party so now it's time to start the blame game early. Hilarious.

    You do realize the Dems are positioning the blame too, right? Howard Dean has some pretty funny quotes on this.

    frode ●

  • frode said...

    You do realize the Dems are positioning the blame too, right? Howard Dean has some pretty funny quotes on this.

    Or...see old Chucky. Blame blame blame the tea Party for this. Too bad he was got with his pants down and reporters were on the phone.

    rthhokie92

  • Of course, the real blame is plain to see...the last Congress. They could have passed a budget and didn't even make a serious attempt at it.

    frode ●

  • [notcompletelyserious] There should be a resolution that says both houses of congress are dissolved and open for reelection and all current members are banned from all future elections for life if they don't pass a reasonable budget. That will get shit done.

    bkmalik ●

  • kool said...

    April 8th will be the last day. I feel sorry for the visitors for the Cherry Blossom Parade on the 9th. No monuments to visit. No National Zoo. Etc.

    How about folks on vacations to any National Park?
    Close the gates on every park, national forest, and core of army engineers site.
    Local economies will take a hit. It's more than fed govt workers that will be affected.
    Is the IRS deemed essential? LOL

    kevinmaryland

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