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for those who think it is lack of talent not coaching, explain

  • SATerp said...

    Keep in mind that it was Maryland "insiders" that are responsible for Rangoon being here.

    Then if that's truly the case, there is no reason to follow UM fball anymore. If they thought that the recruits and back-ups sucked and this was not Edsall's fault, but yet hired him(a coach with only one ranked win in his career) - a coach that was needed to not only go from "good to great'(KA words) but to save the program and the AD as a whole from Yow's financial screw-ups, then everyone should agree that the insiders are just as inept as the AD, president and chancellor etc. and there will be no "greatness" ever for the program(on a consistent basis). Bad management/board=failed company. Remember, greatness has to be so great so that it will prompt the 20 empty suites to be sold and for the stadium to be filled EVERY game no matter the opponent. This is beyond just wins and losses. Funny thing is they never built when Ross wanted them to and overbuilt when they didn't need to.

    The Bastille

  • The Bastille said...

    Then if that's truly the case, there is no reason to follow UM fball anymore. If they thought that the recruits and back-ups sucked and this was not Edsall's fault, but yet hired him(a coach with only one ranked win in his career) - a coach that was needed to not only go from "good to great'(KA words) but to save the program and the AD as a whole from Yow's financial screw-ups, then everyone should agree that the insiders are just as inept as the AD, president and chancellor etc. and there will be no "greatness" ever for the program(on a consistent basis). Bad management/board=failed company. Remember, greatness has to be so great so that it will prompt the 20 empty suites to be sold and for the stadium to be filled EVERY game no matter the opponent. This is beyond just wins and losses. Funny thing is they never built when Ross wanted them to and overbuilt when they didn't need to.

    Perfectly said. For some reason the management at MD has never understood the concept of garbage in, garbage out.

    Pyroterp ●

  • terpfan83 said...

    Agreed. Here's a quote from Jeff Barker's Notes article in today's Sun. "More than one Maryland insider has remarked to me that they believe the group Edsall inherited is not as skilled as fans imagine." No excuse for 2-10 and losing the way we did, but we would have been complaining if Fridge had stayed. Just on a different level.

    Danny O'Brien was great last year, he got a lot worse this year. Bad QB coach? System that does not suit him? There could be many reasons why.

    DJ Adams was very good last year, this year due to some personal vendetta he was basically a non factor.

    Kenny Tate was very good at safety last year, he got moved to LB which made him less effective but also made sure the best 11 players were not on the field. Franklin and Robinson were liabilities during many games, while at LB you had guys like Goree and Twine who easily could have been more productive if Tate was moved back to safety and one of them was able to move into a starting spot.

    The coaching is the major reason why this team got worse. There was talent at many key spots on the field, nearly every position as a whole regressed, so is that the players not being good or the coaches not taking players from good to great?

    VAHooper3 ●

  • The "Insiders" also propped KA up. Seriously, we all knew he too was questionable, but at least he wasn't DY, which seemed to be all that mattered at the time.

    This post was edited by JAWTerp on 11/27/2011 at 10:51 AM

    JAWTerp ●

  • One of Edsall's good years. I think he was 9-3 that year. And Uconn rolled into Morgantown where Edsall would face RROD for one last time as the head coach of WVU. It was not pretty. RROD rang up 66 points on him. He has never beaten RROD. He did go 1-2 against Stew but only because the back for WVU fumbled going in for the winning td at the friggin 1 yard line. Stew was cursed. But beating WVU got Uconn the BCS berth, and the Terp job. So you can blame Stew.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1dphHmfn2Y

    Many of Pitt's 58 "rushing attempts" were the result qb Tino Sunseri fleeing the pocket like a man whose clothes were on fire.

    Nolaeer

  • SATerp said...

    Keep in mind that it was Maryland "insiders" that are responsible for Rangoon being here.

    Exactly. 100% chance these Maryland "insiders" are just regurgitating Edsall's excuses.

    UMD2004 ●

  • VAHooper3 said...

    Danny O'Brien was great last year, he got a lot worse this year. Bad QB coach? System that does not suit him? There could be many reasons why.

    DJ Adams was very good last year, this year due to some personal vendetta he was basically a non factor.

    Kenny Tate was very good at safety last year, he got moved to LB which made him less effective but also made sure the best 11 players were not on the field. Franklin and Robinson were liabilities during many games, while at LB you had guys like Goree and Twine who easily could have been more productive if Tate was moved back to safety and one of them was able to move into a starting spot.

    The coaching is the major reason why this team got worse. There was talent at many key spots on the field, nearly every position as a whole regressed, so is that the players not being good or the coaches not taking players from good to great?

    Agree on DJ and Tate. Not so much on O'Brien. He was good last year. Very good in a few games. Not so good against the better teams. And I'm not counting NC State as one of the better teams. I agree this system does not suit him, but the system didn't cause him to woefully underthrow receivers and throw awful interceptions. I'm fully in favor of getting rid of Crowton and Bradford, but O'Brien has to take some responsibility. I think he was overhyped on this board based on his performances against really bad defenses in NC State and East Carolina. Having said that, he still has two full years (hopefully, here) and is much better at throwing the ball than CJ Brown.

    terpfan83 ●

  • Terp_N_Twine said...

    5 wins tops and this board would have blamed him for not winning more. You could have HOF Joe Gibbs coach this squad and you may have had 6 wins tops. This staff deserves a lot of criticism, as does Anderson. However, the talent level on our football team is not good. People really need to quit acting like we have studs at every position.

    I think this is a horseshit hindsight reasoning (not attacking you, but the rationale). You want to blame the injuries, fine, but no one is saying we had studs everywhere. however, we finally had the majority of both lines coming back, we had studs at the "QB" position on offense and defense. We had physically capable WRs, a lot of them and not all of them were bright green. but here's the kicker why that reasoning of "oh, we were not talented to begin with" doesn't fly with me...most of the guys are young. Meaning that some of them were supposed to get better, and some of them could have become studs. You don't look at talent in a snapshot like the NFL, every team has to develop underclassmen, it's a fluid situation with people leaving and coaches being responsible for guys getting better to fill in. We finally had more guys returning than leaving and enough guys who had promised ready to step in-that is the talent pool that expectations are based on. DJ Adams and Mackall are two prime examples. You don't lower your assessment after you've screwed it all up.

    This is a matter of mismanagement because we have a fraud with a giant size ego. In a transition, you need someone who can adapt along with appropriate skills. You're going to tell me that Vanderbilt has more talent than they did last year or did Franklin unlock their potential with proper coaching and motivation?

    TerpPride

  • TerpPride said...

    I think this is a horseshit hindsight reasoning (not attacking you, but the rationale). You want to blame the injuries, fine, but no one is saying we had studs everywhere. however, we finally had the majority of both lines coming back, we had studs at the "QB" position on offense and defense. We had physically capable WRs, a lot of them and not all of them were bright green. but here's the kicker why that reasoning of "oh, we were not talented to begin with" doesn't fly with me...most of the guys are young. Meaning that some of them were supposed to get better, and some of them could have become studs. You don't look at talent in a snapshot like the NFL, every team has to develop underclassmen, it's a fluid situation with people leaving and coaches being responsible for guys getting better to fill in. We finally had more guys returning than leaving and enough guys who had promised ready to step in-that is the talent pool that expectations are based on. DJ Adams and Mackall are two prime examples. You don't lower your assessment after you've screwed it all up.

    This is a matter of mismanagement because we have a fraud with a giant size ego. In a transition, you need someone who can adapt along with appropriate skills. You're going to tell me that Vanderbilt has more talent than they did last year or did Franklin unlock their potential with proper coaching and motivation?

    Your last sentence should be highlighted, underlined and used as everyone' sig.......

    softground

  • TerpPride said...
    You're going to tell me that Vanderbilt has more talent than they did last year or did Franklin unlock their potential with proper coaching and motivation?

    It appears that Franklin does make a better HC than OC. LOL on us.

    MARYLAND. The area they’re now calling the DMV—D.C./Maryland/Northern Virginia—might be the country’s richest talent mine.

    alexander2 ●

  • Roflcopter said...

    Lack of talent in the AD position...

    Unless the talent is swindling schools for 10 million dollars.

    Lack of brain power of the interview committee. They all can go F themselves.

    Mr Hanky ●

  • I think its pretty obvious that the coaching is terrible. In any case how is Edsall blaming the talent level when all indications are that the current class is average or below? What is he going to blame when in 3 years the current class made up of 1,2 and some 3 star players fail to make a bowl game?

    terpjunkie

  • i always had a bad feeling that we would hire RE, never thought we would get Leach. I think the coaching has been suspect to say the least. I think if RF had stayed we would have won a few more games, maybe 2 more. With the talent, injuries, defections, DC leaving at last minute, and change in systems you would have been hard pressed to get Lombardi to win 8 games with this team. What really worries me is the lack of obvious studs coming in. I know Spence's dad says Noah loves the coaches, but he aint here yet, i guess Davis, Rowe, Madaras, and the OL from GA are good but we need more. We dont have an incoming DL to speak of, and there is no way that we will begin to redshirt any good players for another 2 years. At UMD, the only way we can win is to land some studs, but to coach up kids with talent in their redshirt years. Marquice Lee and Robert Woods aint coming here. But the right coach will stockpile us with under rated 3 stars, a few 4 stars, and once in a blue moon a 5. Sadly, i dont think this is the guy. I dont think he is an idiot with no clue, but he is an awful fit and his shortcoming are being magnified here. Each change seems stupid when you lose and the arrogance makes him hateable to the fans.

    mudcats ●

  • mudcats said...

    i always had a bad feeling that we would hire RE, never thought we would get Leach. I think the coaching has been suspect to say the least. I think if RF had stayed we would have won a few more games, maybe 2 more. With the talent, injuries, defections, DC leaving at last minute, and change in systems you would have been hard pressed to get Lombardi to win 8 games with this team. What really worries me is the lack of obvious studs coming in. I know Spence's dad says Noah loves the coaches, but he aint here yet, i guess Davis, Rowe, Madaras, and the OL from GA are good but we need more. We dont have an incoming DL to speak of, and there is no way that we will begin to redshirt any good players for another 2 years. At UMD, the only way we can win is to land some studs, but to coach up kids with talent in their redshirt years. Marquice Lee and Robert Woods aint coming here. But the right coach will stockpile us with under rated 3 stars, a few 4 stars, and once in a blue moon a 5. Sadly, i dont think this is the guy. I dont think he is an idiot with no clue, but he is an awful fit and his shortcoming are being magnified here. Each change seems stupid when you lose and the arrogance makes him hateable to the fans.

    If Ralph had stayed, I don't think we would have seen the same number of defections or a change in systems. I don't know if Brown still would have left if Ralph had returned, but even if he did, I don't think we would have changed from his system too much. It's difficult to say whether Tate still gets hurt at safety, injuries can be random but it's possible that position changes and the wholesale changes in our S&C approach could have contributed to so many guys going down. Still, we should have had Mackall playing LB and experienced guys like Pooler and Donohue who showed flashes in the past as potential replacements even if we had a similar problem with injuries at LB, instead of having to insert freshmen there.

    This post was edited by mrterpfan on 11/27/2011 at 11:26 AM

    mrterpfan ●

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