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for those who think it is lack of talent not coaching, explain

  • losing a 41-14 lead to ncst.

    Esquireski

  • To anyone? I don't care if it was LSU! Unacceptable.

    HburgTerp

  • Lack of talent in the AD position...

    Unless the talent is swindling schools for 10 million dollars.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Roflcopter on 11/26/2011 at 3:39 PM

    Roflcopter

  • Next argument will be our record last year.

    TortugaGrande

  • HburgTerp said...

    To anyone? I don't care if it was LSU! Unacceptable.

    there are those who justified losing to clemson (up 35-17 with 13:06 left in the third quarter to lose 56-45) with the talent gap. either game, one side adjusted to seize victory and one couldn't maintain/protect at least a three score lead.

    Esquireski

  • this loss was mostly coaching but there's always players on the field that let it happen...make a tackle, don't throw picks

    Are there any pros on this team? Fridge would usually have a pro along the lines or LBers

    Good. Things. Do. Not. Happen. For. D.C./MD. Sports.

    JoeBlack84

  • JoeBlack84 said...

    this loss was mostly coaching but there's always players on the field that let it happen...make a tackle, don't throw picks

    Are there any pros on this team? Fridge would usually have a pro along the lines or LBers

    no doubt the players are botching plays, but we don't need to blame them here...Rangoon will take of that.

    Here's evidence that it's mostly coaching: we are bad in all phases of the game. We have guys all over the roster making mistakes including the freakin longsnapper interfering with a punt returner. Everyone is screwing up because it's in everyone's head. that's coaching. this is what drill instructors do, they strip you down to train you and that's what Edsall did to the players.

    TerpPride

  • TerpPride said...

    Everyone is screwing up because it's in everyone's head. that's coaching. this is what drill instructors do, they strip you down to train you and that's what Edsall did to the players.

    but drill instructors then train you in the basics and give you confidence that with your teammates around you functioning together, you can and will succeed.

    edsallllllllll tore them down, but this melt down and the clemson meltdown show that they (the team) do not believe that they can succeed. even with the success in the first half of both games, once something went wrong in the second half, it is as if the team believed failure was inevitable.

    drill instructors tear you down to get you to a base point where your training almost automatically takes over/you are conditioned to act a certain way.

    edsallllllllll trained them to expect the worst in the face of adversity. at least that 's what the last eight results indicate.

    Esquireski

  • Exactly. They break you down and build you up again.
    Rangoon broke them all and told them 'you suck' and they all believe it.

    sportsgirl23

  • Esquireski said...

    but drill instructors then train you in the basics and give you confidence that with your teammates around you functioning together, you can and will succeed.

    edsallllllllll tore them down, but this melt down and the clemson meltdown show that they (the team) do not believe that they can succeed. even with the success in the first half of both games, once something went wrong in the second half, it is as if the team believed failure was inevitable.

    drill instructors tear you down to get you to a base point where your training almost automatically takes over/you are conditioned to act a certain way.

    edsallllllllll trained them to expect the worst in the face of adversity. at least that 's what the last eight results indicate.

    no doubt, drill instructors eventually build the soldier up...Edsall spent the season building himself up.

    TerpPride

  • TerpPride said...

    no doubt, drill instructors eventually build the soldier up...Edsall spent the season building himself up.

    edsallllllllll has spent his entire time here building himself up. that's the purpose of one voice. make himself the focus. that way he controls the message.

    Esquireski

  • I don't think players respond to that 'tear down and build up' shit from a bad coach...he hasn't really proven that he knows what he's doing

    everyone knows he's only beaten 1 good team his entire career...you don't wanna have a coach with a bad track record being extra militaristic, you can't respect him

    Good. Things. Do. Not. Happen. For. D.C./MD. Sports.

    JoeBlack84

  • JoeBlack84 said...

    I don't think players respond to that 'tear down and build up' shit from a bad coach...he hasn't really proven that he knows what he's doing

    everyone knows he's only beaten 1 good team his entire career...you don't wanna have a coach with a bad track record being extra militaristic, you can't respect him

    exactly. come in with BS rules, lay down the "one voice" policy and you can lose a team, in that it won't believe in your system, pretty quick.

    the guys from last year remember going 9-4. to be told they were doing almost everything wrong in every aspect of their college career, is a tough "truth" to accept. "you don't know how to win/you aren't disciplined enough to win"? they won 9. "the strength and conditioning program is wrong, need more speed to succeed"? but we have the most/second most alum in the nfl. "i know how to win"? barely .500, 1-16 against top 25?

    then chew a senior DB out for making an INT and scoring in the first game of the season? the blame game and benchings erode confidence even farther.

    Esquireski

  • Its definitely coaching. 41-14 State has 4th and 12 from midfield. We choose to only rush 3 and drop 8 guys who were all 15 yards downfield. Tight end runs 12 yard hook, 1st down. We had pressure all day with 4 guys but play as much prevent as possible. Completely played not to lose and that is bullshit football.

    imaterp1

  • Esquireski said...

    losing a 41-14 lead to ncst.

    During this game I was saying same thing to my friend. I don't want to once again hear how last season was a fluke...this team has plenty of talent to be a bowl team at a minimum. No excuses.

    jt082005

  • jt082005 said...

    During this game I was saying same thing to my friend. I don't want to once again hear how last season was a fluke...this team has plenty of talent to be a bowl team at a minimum. No excuses.

    So just to be clear, what do you think our record is if Fridge is the coach.

    TortugaGrande

  • With last year's staff and system in place and the same returning players, plus the ones that voluntarily left under the new regime like Donohue, Pooler, etc., I think we beat Wake, State, Temple, BC, UVA, and one of Clemson/WVU/GT to get to 8-4. Losses to FSU and Notre Dame along with two of the prior three. No way of proving it one way or the other but that's my hypothetical assessment.

    mrterpfan

  • TortugaGrande said...

    So just to be clear, what do you think our record is if Fridge is the coach.

    I've made the last year's 9-4 record was inflated argument many times but at the end of the year when the new coach only wins 2 games, it's time to stop. I think this was a 6-7 win team under a normal coach. Forget the football/coaching side but people don't respond well to this my way or the highway, rules instituted for the sake of having rules, paramilitary bullshit unless you have a legit ass rep which Edsall clearly doesn't. It was like picking a shitty stock that happened to rise one day for some weird reason and then being surprised when it regresses to its typical shitty level. As for the awful entire contract being guaranteed thing, did we ever figure out if that is typical or did we tie our hands for no reason?

    I got the shotgun. You got the briefcase. It's all in the game though, right?

    Omar Little

  • TortugaGrande said...

    So just to be clear, what do you think our record is if Fridge is the coach.

    If I had to pick a number 7 or maybe even 8....There really isn't some difference some want to say

    This post was edited by jt082005 on 11/26/2011 at 5:52 PM

    jt082005

  • mrterpfan said...

    With last year's staff and system in place and the same returning players, plus the ones that voluntarily left under the new regime like Donohue, Pooler, etc., I think we beat Wake, State, Temple, BC, UVA, and one of Clemson/WVU/GT to get to 8-4. Losses to FSU and Notre Dame along with two of the prior three. No way of proving it one way or the other but that's my hypothetical assessment.

    I think we certainly win more games, but if you have the same amount of injuries, no way we would win 8. I was thinking maybe 6-6.

    terpfan83

  • TortugaGrande said...

    So just to be clear, what do you think our record is if Fridge is the coach.

    5 wins tops and this board would have blamed him for not winning more. You could have HOF Joe Gibbs coach this squad and you may have had 6 wins tops. This staff deserves a lot of criticism, as does Anderson. However, the talent level on our football team is not good. People really need to quit acting like we have studs at every position.

    Terp_N_Twine

  • Terp_N_Twine said...

    5 wins tops and this board would have blamed him for not winning more. You could have HOF Joe Gibbs coach this squad and you may have had 6 wins tops. This staff deserves a lot of criticism, as does Anderson. However, the talent level on our football team is not good. People really need to quit acting like we have studs at every position.

    good thing we have all that top talent coming in for next year.

    oh wait..................

    though i do agree...5 to 6 wins.

    doesn't keep me from throwing up in my mouth a little everytime i think of 5 more years with edsalllllllllll though

    Yeahterps

  • Terp_N_Twine said...

    5 wins tops and this board would have blamed him for not winning more. You could have HOF Joe Gibbs coach this squad and you may have had 6 wins tops. This staff deserves a lot of criticism, as does Anderson. However, the talent level on our football team is not good. People really need to quit acting like we have studs at every position.

    Agreed. Here's a quote from Jeff Barker's Notes article in today's Sun. "More than one Maryland insider has remarked to me that they believe the group Edsall inherited is not as skilled as fans imagine." No excuse for 2-10 and losing the way we did, but we would have been complaining if Fridge had stayed. Just on a different level.

    terpfan83

  • terpfan83 said...

    Agreed. Here's a quote from Jeff Barker's Notes article in today's Sun. "More than one Maryland insider has remarked to me that they believe the group Edsall inherited is not as skilled as fans imagine." No excuse for 2-10 and losing the way we did, but we would have been complaining if Fridge had stayed. Just on a different level.

    Keep in mind that it was Maryland "insiders" that are responsible for Rangoon being here.

    SATerp

  • SATerp said...

    Keep in mind that it was Maryland "insiders" that are responsible for Rangoon being here.

    Exactly - all that is is rationalizing the horrible situation in which they contributed.

    You can't really say how many game fridge would have won - depending who was brought into replace Franklin. But even if had won two games it was the end of his contract we'd cut him lose.

    The real problem, as I'm sure we can agree, that even if the players weren't as good as people thought, at the end of the season of installing a new system/mantra you want to see progression not regression. This staff is just not cutting it.

    Pyroterp