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Would you rather have Yow or Edsall?

  • JeffErmann said...

    Edsall had a very poor first season and alienated fans with his approach. Yow mismanaged the finances, largely in for self-serving reasons such as claiming a balanced budget and earning bonuses related to non-revenue sports success IMO. She also alienated many, including the school's most beloved alum and biggest money maker, including an ill-conceived attempt to fire him. There are myriad other unflattering anecdotes. This isn't a contest.

    Well Edsall never tried to get this site shut down and put you out of a job, to my knowledge.

    It's a stupid apples to oranges comparison either way. Yow at least had a few years of peace and stability. Edsall had a week.

    hgoodman

  • JeffErmann said...

    The value doesn’t translate into pay; Ehsan is the second-lowest paid men’s or women’s assistant among the ACC’s eight public schools. Only N.C. State women’s assistant Jon Harper - who, as the husband of Wolfpack coach Kellie Harper, does not draw a salary - receives less.

    lol, I can't believe that's real.

    sohlman6

  • so the youngest coach in the ACC was also the lowest paid -- there's a story!

    Rob's base pay was doubled by the time he left, no mention of that Jeff.

    goterpss

  • goterpss said...

    so the youngest coach in the ACC was also the lowest paid -- there's a story!

    Rob's base pay was doubled by the time he left, no mention of that Jeff.

    Well he didn't get a raise until after that article was written.

    jsh

  • jsh said...

    Well he didn't get a raise until after that article was written.

    nor did any other University employee, there was a state issued salary freeze for almost two yeas.
    DY eventually got the assistants raises as she changed their job descriptions to include fundraising activities (it was a little loop hole that was found). I think it was more a case of that the coaches (Ehsan in particular) was going to leave.

    goterpss

  • Didn't Steve Bisciotti have to pick up half (or more) of the S&C coach's salary?

    jsh

  • goterpss said...

    nor did any other University employee, there was a state issued salary freeze for almost two yeas. DY eventually got the assistants raises as she changed their job descriptions to include fundraising activities (it was a little loop hole that was found). I think it was more a case of that the coaches (Ehsan in particular) was going to leave.

    Funny how she found away around the salary freeze AFTER it was made public.

    jsh

  • jsh said...

    Didn't Steve Bisciotti have to pick up half (or more) of the S&C coach's salary?

    very few men's basketball programs have a dedicated S&C Coach (Duke and UNC to this day do not have one). Ricci was dedicated just to men's bball which was an extreme luxury, and yes Biscotti paid the tab and yes Paul was a beast.

    goterpss

  • Listen, I have no dog in this fight. As is the case on these boards with DY I know a lot of people have a personal vendetta against her. I'm just for about posting facts. Using statistics in a moment of time without telling the full story gets deceiving.

    As I posted earlier, DY didn't do a good job. She left the Ath Dept with a structural deficit of $3.5 million. Making up or distorting facts aren't necessary. Rangoon will do way more damage than just a $3.5 million annual deficit.

    goterpss

  • goterpss said...

    very few men's basketball programs have a dedicated S&C Coach (Duke and UNC to this day do not have one). Ricci was dedicated just to men's bball which was an extreme luxury, and yes Biscotti paid the tab and yes Paul was a beast.

    it's not an extreme luxury for the basketball team to have a dedicated S&C coach. they are the only revenue team on campus.

    RDurr

  • It's a luxury to be able to fly to road games.

    jsh

  • RDurr said...

    it's not an extreme luxury for the basketball team to have a dedicated S&C coach. they are the only revenue team on campus.

    Yes it is. As I said, Duke has one shared for both men's and women's. UNC's guy does other sports. Very few programs have full-time dedicated for one team outside of football.

    goterpss

  • That was basically the problem with Yow. Instead of looking to put football and basketball a step ahead of their peers she preferred to spread that money to the non-revenue teams. While I can appreciate the sentiment, the fact was that Debbie was hurting those non-revenue teams in the long run because she was hurting her revenue sports and the money was shrinking.

    Edsall has been a train wreck, however if he doesn't improve than he'll be gone either next year or the following year. An AD with the mindset of Yow's doesn't get fired in a year or two, they stay in their office for 16 years and bury an athletic department into the red.

    jsh

  • This thread basically sums up Maryland sports since 2005.

    hgoodman

  • JeffErmann said...

    Ehsan's salary being low based on experience is one thing. The men's assistants making less than the women's was astounding and anecdotal of the handicaps/biases that were in place. Everyone is aware that Yow despised Gary Williams and that women's basketball was high on the agenda despite massive red ink. Just as everyone knows the raises came in response to Patrick's story. Im not going to say Yow didn't have some nice achievements, but she did far more damage over the years than Edsall has done in one. There's a reason the department is running on ramen noodles and cutting sports, and its not Randy Edsall.

    Booth had no experience prior to starting either, Chuck Driesell had one year of D-I coaching experience in the previous 10years prior to his arrival. Again more facts.

    It's silly to debate how or why the raises were put through, but the article was written in Dec 2009 and DY got the raises in January of 2010. So in one month's time she was able to put through, in an extremely beauracratic process, pay raises that went against a state issued salary freeze. Just to get things straight.

    This post was edited by goterpss on 12/1/2011 at 9:52 PM

    goterpss

  • goterpss said...

    So in one month's time she was able to put through, in an extremely beauracratic process, pay raises that went against a state issued salary freeze. Just to get things straight.

    You make it sound like she climbed Mount Everest then ran a 5 minute mile. Pretty sure what you just described isn't an impossible task for the athletic director at the state's flagship university.

    hgoodman

  • jsh said...

    That was basically the problem with Yow. Instead of looking to put football and basketball a step ahead of their peers she preferred to spread that money to the non-revenue teams. While I can appreciate the sentiment, the fact was that Debbie was hurting those non-revenue teams in the long run because she was hurting her revenue sports and the money was shrinking.

    Edsall has been a train wreck, however if he doesn't improve than he'll be gone either next year or the following year. An AD with the mindset of Yow's doesn't get fired in a year or two, they stay in their office for 16 years and bury an athletic department into the red.

    again let's talk facts. She left the dept with a "structural deficit" of $3.5 million (structural is Kevin's term).
    That's the difference in one good football year and one bad one (12,000 seats).
    Basketball revenues also declined in the last few years, I love Gary, but let's face it he mailed it in on recruiting the last 10 years and refused to play the AAU game the last 5. That has its effect too.

    goterpss

  • goterpss said...

    Booth had no experience prior to starting either, Chuck Driesell had one year of D-I coaching experience in the previous 10years prior to his arrival. Again more facts.

    It's silly to debate how or why the raises were put through, but the article was written in Dec 2009 and DY got the raises in January of 2010. So in one month's time she was able to put through, in an extremely beauracratic process, pay raises that went against a state issued salary freeze. Just to get things straight.

    It's amazing what RE has done in such a short amount of time. He has literally caused posters to defend paying our BB assistant coaches lower then our womens coaches. It's just too bad Debbie isn't still here to see this.

    sohlman6

  • JeffErmann said...

    Edsall had a very poor first season and alienated fans with his approach. Yow mismanaged the finances, largely in for self-serving reasons such as claiming a balanced budget and earning bonuses related to non-revenue sports success IMO. She also alienated many, including the school's most beloved alum and biggest money maker, including an ill-conceived attempt to fire him. There are myriad other unflattering anecdotes. This isn't a contest.

    Bingo....that said, this question is like asking would u rather die by hanging or gunshot. The fact that Edsall is being discussed as a choice shows how bad his reputation is with the fan base. I've cast the Edsall hiring this way.....In terms of the negative impact, it is the biggest negative impact to Maryland athletics since the death of Len Bias.

    orioleterp

  • "I'll take 'A Sharp Stick' for $50, Alex."

    SATerp

  • this is so depressing

    AlphaOmega said... im sorry i was confusing...your "Superbowl" was the Redskins losing since you know that the Ravens cant win it all.

    TheHugeManatee