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Would you rather have Yow or Edsall?

  • jsh said...

    Sound financial decision in my opinion!

    again, it's not comparable to the absolute one year destruction of a revenue sport.

    goterpss

  • goterpss said...

    again, it's not comparable to the absolute one year destruction of a revenue sport.

    Agreed. What Yow did by making repeated terrible financial decisions is much worse.

    jsh

  • jsh said...

    Agreed. What Yow did by making repeated terrible financial decisions is much worse.

    she gave us a structural deficit of about $3.5 million/year. Some of that can largely be blamed on the economy, but let's blame it all on her for this exercise.

    $3.5 million is about 12,000 lost seats per season (at 7 games and $40 per seat). That's before the parking, concessions and donations. Then there's the soft costs of public embarassment of the football program and its input on the rest of the school in terms of admissions, global fundraising, PR, etc. Edsall will wind up to be way more destructive over time.

    goterpss

  • Great. Another debate on who fucks up the school more.

    Turtle Roar ●

  • Turtle Roar said...

    Great. Another debate on who fucks up the school more.

    Exactly

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    Pyroterp

  • Hey, I got a mail order degree from the Home Depot School of Management. I guarantee that I will put the Maryland Athletic Department in a 5 million annual deficit if hired. Anyone know where to send my resume?

    Turtle Roar ●

  • RDurr said...

    she sold them 25 year naming rights, but she knew she would never last past 10 years, so she took the infusion of cash up front to help balance her budget, knowing it would be someone else's problem when the money stopped coming in and comcast would still have their name on the building for 15 more years.

    Wait so you're pissed because we got all the money up front? Also, I thought the deal was $20m for 20 years.

    MDTerp84

  • MDTerp84 said...

    Wait so you're pissed because we got all the money up front? Also, I thought the deal was $20m for 20 years.

    yes, a larger gift spread out over the duration of the naming rights would have been the more sound financial decision for the university. she took what she could get up-front so she could still paint a rosy financial picture until she had packed her bags and left town.

    RDurr ●

  • Durr -- getting the money up front was a shrewd move (actually i'm pretty sure Chevy Chase and Comcast have excel and just priced in the time value of money into the payment terms). Using up the proceeds in both financial reports and actual cash expenses was not wise and was misleading.

    goterpss

  • Yeah, there was nothing wrong with the deals. Just the use of the cash.

    MDTerp84

  • goterpss said...

    The RF contract came after he was here and had a number of successful seasons and still was less rich than the contract given Edsall. The only sports she added were water polo and competitive cheer. Both were very cheap sports to operate and added largely so we could give out more men's scholarships (added scholies to baseball and wrestling as a result). Sorry if she didn't pay Keith Booth top money. When Michael Adams and Rob Moxley were here, they were both on staff together and were in the top 20 highest paid assistants (funny that never gets mentioned). Booth, Ehsan and Driesell didn't get paid well because they came in with very thin resumes.

    That sure is putting a rosy spin on things in re: the assistant salaries. Are you suggesting that Yow offered Gary a blank check and he chose not to hire tenured, highly paid assistant coaches? Especially given the fact that he did hire Moxley, Adams, and Lonergan when making his previous batch of hires.

    Tabe

  • It went both ways. DY was stingy but GW also wasn't bringing a Dalonte Hill here either.

    goterpss

  • zwterp08 said...

    Edsall, because with Yow we would have ended up with 2 botched hires instead of one.

    Thread over, question answered. Didn't need to read any further. It took much longer to root out the DY cancer cell than it will to extract the Rangoon plague. And Rangoon won't ever be able to unjustly force his way into the HOF.

    parlay ●

  • Yow's financial mismanagement is what led to Edsall being here. Ralph was graduating players early on then she started fucking with his budget including on the academic support side which ultimately led to KA/Edsall coming in here and treating this like a tear down and rebuild situation because "the young men weren't being held accountable".

    Prolific

  • ryalaman said...

    But Mark Gottfried would be the basketball coach.

    Like he's been embarrassing so far?

    SATerp ●

  • Prolific said...

    Yow's financial mismanagement is what led to Edsall being here. Ralph was graduating players early on then she started fucking with his budget including on the academic support side which ultimately led to KA/Edsall coming in here and treating this like a tear down and rebuild situation because "the young men weren't being held accountable".

    Remember Chris Cosh's salary?

    I'll wait for G$ to tell me how Ralph really wanted Cosh as the DC and that the salary for the position (150k if I recall) didn't affect the hiring.

    jsh

  • goterpss said...

    not to get into this, but Yow was here for 16 years. She did fine her first 13 or 14, it was the last two or three that things got out of control. She didn't destroy a football program, she never botched a bowl selection process (she actually performed her best in those negotiations).

    Stop it. Just stop it. She fucked up the firing of duffner, to the point that a school with some public institutional immunities lost a law suit. You aren't getting in her pants, so stop kissing her ass.

    parlay ●

  • enter Parlay with 3rd and second hand knowledge (at best).
    LOL at the Duffner firing. The guy was a complete buffoon. His buyout wasn't any different than any other major head coach, DY tried to get away with a fast one on the Duff. Last I checked Anderson paid Fridge his entire contract value on the buyout. Also, the Duffner buyout, even adjusted for inflation, wound up to be less than what we'd have to pay Crowton:)

    Re: Cosh hiring. Tell Ralph's year old assistants not to sleep with co-eds, employees and other staff members. Maybe that would have helped his cause a bit when determining his staff.

    goterpss

  • Coltsfan1832 said...

    Let's say you are offered the following: Either keep Debbie Yow in Maryland as the AD, or Randy Edsall as the head coach of Maryland. Who do you want leading your program?

    False dilemma, neither should ever have been hired. KA's contract looks like DY negotiated it so you should be happy with that.

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    alexander2 ●

  • This thread makes me sad.

    This post was edited by TheColfax on 12/1/2011 at 10:07 AM

    TheColfax ●

  • goterpss said...

    It went both ways. DY was stingy but GW also wasn't bringing a Dalonte Hill here either.

    There's a pretty huge difference between not hiring Dalonte Hill for 400k and having three guys on the staff making less than 100k apiece.

    Tabe

  • Tabe said...

    There's a pretty huge difference between not hiring Dalonte Hill for 400k and having three guys on the staff making less than 100k apiece.

    They replaced Moxley, Lonergan and Michael Adams. Again Mox and Adams were in top 20, and it's not like we asked them to leave. In fact their departure were surprises.

    At the end, Gary's network and pipeline of staff got stale. He wasn't going to play the AAU game and everyone knew that and word was also getting around that he wasn't working that hard on the road recruiting (everyone and their mother knew it). Ask Lonergan his thoughts and why he bailed so soon. The staff, for the last few years, was pretty open that they were concerned about their futures.

    DY was an administrator. Under her watch we won national championships in bball and ACC titles in football. She couldn't be that destructive in her position.

    goterpss

  • goterpss said...

    They replaced Moxley, Lonergan and Michael Adams. Again Mox and Adams were in top 20, and it's not like we asked them to leave. In fact their departure were surprises.

    At the end, Gary's network and pipeline of staff got stale. He wasn't going to play the AAU game and everyone knew that and word was also getting around that he wasn't working that hard on the road recruiting (everyone and their mother knew it). Ask Lonergan his thoughts and why he bailed so soon. The staff, for the last few years, was pretty open that they were concerned about their futures.

    DY was an administrator. Under her watch we won national championships in bball and ACC titles in football. She couldn't be that destructive in her position.

    If Gary couldn't scrape together three guys who were worthy of being paid commensurate with what the women's assistants earned, that speaks pretty ill of him. Of course I think we both know that not to be the case.

    Either way, with the preponderance of evidence so staggeringly against Yow's tenure here, it hardly seems worth it to quibble over one point.

    Tabe

  • Wait.....assistant coaches were worried about losing their jobs while working for a HOF coach who won a national championship within the decade? I wonder what, or who, could make them feel that way.

    jsh

  • Tabe said...

    If Gary couldn't scrape together three guys who were worthy of being paid commensurate with what the women's assistants earned, that speaks pretty ill of him. Of course I think we both know that not to be the case.

    Either way, with the preponderance of evidence so staggeringly against Yow's tenure here, it hardly seems worth it to quibble over one point.

    He didn't scrape together Booth. He loved Booth. Except Booth had no coaching experience prior to coming on board. Booth ridiculously underperformed and Gary kept him around. Ehsan was a stud, but we hired him when he was 27 and one of the youngest coaches in the game.

    Rob got a bump in pay for his studliness and was making well more than any assistant on the women's staff last year. We brought in Bino the last year, who unlike Booth or Rob had a resume of coaching albeit at mid-majors and paid him close to 150K (50% more than the highest women's assistant).

    goterpss

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