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One thing that worries me about Turgeon...

  • UVA isn't that great but they are a ridiculously good defensive team thanks to the system they play. To expect an inexperienced team that has a poor collective bball iq, no point guard, one good shooter, and no effective bigs on the blocks to go on the road and perform well against UVA is nothing more than wishful thinking.

    BklynTerp

  • Yeah, what stands between us and a spot in the final four is better "adjustments."

    sgii

  • It's pretty hard to win the halftime coaching adjustment matchup when all the other coach has to do is figure out how to continue to wear down and contain the only guy on your team who can score consistently.

    MisterSmiley

  • Teraskins said...

    UVA isn't exactly oozing with talent. Statistically look at their roster below, I have listed the players who see real floor time, I see Mike Scott and a bunch of players that aren't putting up great numbers. People on this board are delusional about what is "ACC talent" and the talent level of the other teams in the ACC. If we had Zeglinski running the show we'd probably be going nuts right now. I love it when people say 1) we only have 1 ACC player and 2) neglect to mention that one guy is possibly the best in the ACC.

    Player--- gp min ppg rpg apg spg bpg tpg fg% ft% 3p% Samm Z 24 31.2 8.1 3.3 2.8 1.5 0.0 1.6 .356 .788 .346 Mike Sc 26 30.4 17.2 8.2 1.3 0.6 0.4 1.9 .589 .817 .333 Joe Har 26 29.5 11.8 4.0 1.5 0.7 0.2 1.4 .463 .775 .393 Jontel E 26 29.4 6.8 2.0 3.7 1.6 0.2 2.5 .462 .651 .444 Brogdon 26 22.6 7.0 2.9 1.5 0.5 0.1 1.7 .399 .809 .338 Akil Mit 26 21.0 4.0 4.4 0.9 0.6 0.3 0.8 .477 .538 .000 A. Sene 17 20.9 4.9 3.7 0.4 0.4 0.9 1.1 .508 .686 .000 K.T. Har 11 18.9 4.7 1.0 0.9 0.5 0.4 1.2 .315 .700 .190

    So true. This "we don't have ACC level talent" argument is so incredibly stupid and dishonest. We have similar or better talent than a bunch of teams ahead of us in the standings (UVG, NC ST, Miami) and MUCH better talent than Clemson, a team that is tied with us. Lack of talent IS what is keeping us from being able to compete with Duke and UNC. Its not a real excuse for why we can't compete with UVG, Miami and NC St.

    1thegame

  • MisterSmiley said...

    It's pretty hard to win the halftime coaching adjustment matchup when all the other coach has to do is figure out how to continue to wear down and contain the only guy on your team who can score consistently.

    Um, you realize that the game was tied at halftime and UVG had the same problem to figure out. Somehow Bennett was able to get his team to play hard in the 2nd half, especially on D.

    1thegame

  • MisterSmiley said...

    It's pretty hard to win the halftime coaching adjustment matchup when all the other coach has to do is figure out how to continue to wear down and contain the only guy on your team who can score consistently.

    And we had to figure out Mike Scott and all their other big scorers? The only other guy they have that is close to a threat played with a broken hand and didn't do anything.

    Tabe

  • Tabe, don't bother arguing with these people...everything that goes on with the program is right and ok...anyone saying otherwise is a troll and/or dumb.

    The majority of the posters here are no better than the ones on pack pride if you want to be honest

    we are the new NC State...and it'll show on the court when their 2012 class comes in and kills

    Good. Things. Do. Not. Happen. For. D.C./MD. Sports.

    JoeBlack84

  • Tabe said...

    And we had to figure out Mike Scott and all their other big scorers? The only other guy they have that is close to a threat played with a broken hand and didn't do anything.

    They have players who are physically capable of slowing down Stoglin, we do not have players who are capable of slowing down Scott.

    Devils0720

  • sgii said...

    Yeah, what stands between us and a spot in the final four is better "adjustments."

    this is EXACTLY what people are saying!

    screamin_jay

  • Devils0720 said...

    They have players who are physically capable of slowing down Stoglin, we do not have players who are capable of slowing down Scott.

    That's why you try a double team or at least put your best post defender on him instead of Weijs and Padgett.

    Tabe

  • Tabe said...

    That's why you try a double team or at least put your best post defender on him instead of Weijs and Padgett.

    Mosley? I'm seriously blanking on who our best post defender is.

    This post was edited by terpfan83 on 2/19/2012 at 1:47 PM

    terpfan83

  • Tabe said...

    That's why you try a double team or at least put your best post defender on him instead of Weijs and Padgett.

    Scott getting 25 is about what we should've expected against our bigs, The problem was guys like Brogdon logging 14 and Zeglenski getting 11 and then our four bigs combining for 10 points and Sean Mosley getting 2.

    Devils0720

  • 1thegame said...

    So true. This "we don't have ACC level talent" argument is so incredibly stupid and dishonest. We have similar or better talent than a bunch of teams ahead of us in the standings (UVG, NC ST, Miami) and MUCH better talent than Clemson, a team that is tied with us. Lack of talent IS what is keeping us from being able to compete with Duke and UNC. Its not a real excuse for why we can't compete with UVG, Miami and NC St.

    I completely disagree that we have similar or better talent to NC State and Miami, or MUCH better talent than Clemson. YOu have to figure in experience too in this equation. In two years, Faust and Len will probably turn out better than guys on those teams, but certainly not now. Other than Scott (who is miles better than any big we have), we're probably equal in talent to UVA. But Scott is a huge difference. Trade Scott for Pankey, Padgett or Weijs and we likely win yesterday.

    terpfan83

  • terpfan83 said...

    Mosley? I'm seriously blanking on who our best post defender is.

    Real tall European guy, blocks lots of shots.

    Tabe

  • Tabe said...

    Real tall European guy, blocks lots of shots.

    I guess he's our best post defender by default because of his height. Pretty sure Scott would have fouled him out in about a minute and a half if they were matched up in a man-to-man. I was thinking more double team or even try some zone with Len in the middle. Have we played any zone this year?

    terpfan83

  • The biggest problem yesterday wasn't on the defensive end.

    We just couldn't score worth shit. You're not gonna win any game with 13 points in a half.

    Turtle Roar

  • Tabe said...

    Real tall European guy, blocks lots of shots.

    Blocking shots is a really small component of playing good D. Len isn't that good a defender.

    bkmalik

  • It's actually a really big part of being a good (interior) defender which is why pretty much every big man ever in the history of basketball who was good defensively was a shot blocking threat.

    And regardless of that the point that he is our best post defender is fairly indisputable even if we agree that he "isn't that good a defender".

    Tabe

  • i know ill get a lot of heat for this but i've been less than impressed with turgeon's gameday coaching.

    AlphaOmega said... im sorry i was confusing...your "Superbowl" was the Redskins losing since you know that the Ravens cant win it all.

    TheHugeManatee

  • Hmm I think he's a pretty good one overall. He may have regressed a bit from his days at A&M, but it's his first year here. I wish he played zone more though. A team like UVA would struggle more against it. When they started scoring on us we stilled played man to man.

    02TerpChamps

  • JoeBlack84 said...

    Talked to the Harrisons...they aren't liking this season...

    I am sure Harrison Sr. has forgotten all about the 4 Texas A&M 20 win seasons, and is flummoxed that that bum Turgeon has not been able to get this bunch of no-talents to hold the lead against UNC et al.

    amenchorus

  • JoeBlack84 said...

    laugh all you want...

    always remember that I had their top 5 before the news outlets got it

    What's interesting to me is that you make a great point and have 6-8 downvotes on every one of your comments in this thread. Someone else says they " actually agree with you" and essentially make the same argument you do. What do they get? 6-8 downvotes? Fuck no, they get that many UP votes. This upvote/downvote feature is juvenile and fucking stupid. What's the point? Do you have to see if other people like an opinion before deciding if you approve of it or not? That's how Obama got elected goddamnit.

    accventuress

  • 2 star poster says things

    BklynTerp

  • Tabe said...

    It's actually a really big part of being a good (interior) defender which is why pretty much every big man ever in the history of basketball who was good defensively was a shot blocking threat.

    And regardless of that the point that he is our best post defender is fairly indisputable even if we agree that he "isn't that good a defender".

    Scott scores most of his points on stand still jumpers, not interior post-up moves. Len is not the answer.

    Unfortunately, the answer is not on this roster, unless Mosely grows 2 or 3 inches overnite.

    boboskadiddle

  • BklynTerp said...

    2 star poster says things

    Two star poster.......there we go. Don't make a sensible comment when all you have to do is fall back on that. Really, what is the point of a star rating system? So that when people don't constantly exhibit groupthink, we can all mark them down? Good.

    accventuress