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Over the past 40 years, Kentucky does not have the most NBA players, never mind top NBA players. Not even close. when Cal is gone in 5 years with 2 total titles, UK still won't have the most pros over the past 40 years. Look it up with your supposed bball knowledge.

Sorry, i have to go know. i'm expecting a Fedex mailer, and i want to make sure it doesn't tear open upon delivery.

I'm hardly pulling for the Harrisons to go to Kentucky, but it's not like Derrick Rose has suffered because Memphis had to vacate some wins while he played there.

Agreed. You think people remember that USC didn't win a national championship. All people remember is their success, which grabs their attention and remains in the mind as a top notch program. To me, you're either in the NCAA's In-Crowd or you are not.

Get them and I promise you we'll make better use of brackets.

Now, I had some respect for Maryland as a program, and their fan base, all up until this statement right here.
Reasoning?:
1. False accusations, if I'm correct with our legal system in America, it is innocent until proven guilty, thus how about you go by so?
2. Your statement generalizing an entire fan base on a few people is ludicrous and completely off.
3. So by your logic, no matter what coach a top 5/10 player played for, they'd be top 5/10 picks regardless? Let's name a few names that don't fit the category, make any excuse you want for them again, but honestly. Let's start with Harrison Barnes (Projected #1 overall, and had Kobe comparisons until arriving on campus, enough said), Jared Sullinger, Josh Selby, Tobias Harris, Perry Jones III, Will Barton, Quincy Miller, Avery Bradley, Xavier Henry, John Henson, Renardo Sidney, Kenny Boynton, all fit the bill of that. Even more? Ok. Brandon Jennings, Samardo Samuels, Jrue Holliday, JaMychal Green, Scotty Hopson, Nick Calathes. Honestly dude, I can go all day. Just because you're a top 10 recruit, does NOT mean you will be a top 10 or even 15 draft pick. It's just not going to happen. Given ALL of these examples to refute your claim, you cannot sit here and still claim to me, that the coach you pick does not matter at all. Because let's see, Quincy Miller, 38th overall pick, Renardo Sidney, undrafted, Nick Calathes, somewhere in Europe. Will Barton, 40th overall pick, Kenny Boynton, still in school, Brandon Jennings, 10th overall. Now here's where I can definitely prove you wrong once and for all. Jennings is the only player in ESPN's recruiting that has EVER been rated a 99. The score is on a scale of about 70-100. Even Harrison Barnes with his out of this world expectations was a 98. Jennings wanted money immediately and it paid in the long run, as he fell to 10th in the draft, while had he probably stayed in the USA and played for a good coach, he could have very possibly been the #1 overall pick in a draft. It's just the way it is, whether it be the coach's history that helps draft stock, or the coach actually helps the player improve, it most definitely CAN have a significant impact.

If I really get down voted for stating facts and disputing what you guys said, after saying "If they are so confident why are no UK fans here?" Honestly. The people you guys were just criticizing (UK fans) you are acting just like.

People only downvoted you bc your handle looks like it says duke

Horrible argument.

Are we sitting on a jury or on the bench?

No, it's a freaking internet board. It's innocent until proven guilty "in court only". Anyone can draw their own conclusions outside the legal system. I can put together my own thoughts and gather my own information. If it looks shady enough, well then I can say it looks shady.

How does a rape victim come forward? She/he accuses someone of rape. That's right an accusation has to be made BEFORE going to court. The person remains innocent until proven guilty and still be accused.

Well I'm accusing Calipari/Kentucky of cheating.

If you would like for me to come back and offer a UK perspective of things later on in their recruitment, I'll be fine with that as well. Again, I have nothing wrong with Maryland aside from the statement the person made earlier.

And as soon as I try to be reasonable, you make a comment like that, and do you guys even read posts?? I get downgraded without people even reading them, what's an argument if it's one-sided and you refuse to listen? I mean come on, I try to compliment Maryland, and you guys might call me the anti-christ. You do know UK's GPA was a 3.12 in the spring semester correct? And the basketball team usually is the top in the SEC with Vandy? I would say something else, but I'd be crucified to no end by Maryland fans, I'll end it with this though, I'm interested to see Maryland this year, especially if Dez Wells is ruled eligible. Enjoy Dez Wells, the kid is a stud and fun to watch, Xavier really unappreciated him. If Dez Wells is, I'd like to see you guys make a run at the ACC.

I believe all of these "cases" are bad ones. I think we are all forgeting the fact that all of these kids are forced to go to college due to the NBA age requirement. Had this not been in effect, MOST, not all, of these kids would have been drafted right out of high school. Wall, Rose, Slim Sidney, PJIII, Barnes, and maybe Brandon Jennings would have been 1st round picks straight out of high school. That's a fact. These guys had the physical tools to compete in the NBA right out of high school. The rest, while in the to 10-15 range would have been second round picks at best. They all had flaws that were picked apart by NBA scouts and they either worked on them and became first round picks or didn't show that they were good enough and fell to the 2nd round, etc. To use Wall and Rose as an example, I think is erroneous, as those two guys were very likely top 5 guys out of high school. One year of college under Cal had nothing to do with their draft status. They could have played for me when I was at Monmouth and they would have been top 5 picks.

Calipari is a good coach who did well by his top prospects.

But the fallacy of your argument is to claim that those prospects developed more under him than they would have under other good coaches (e.g., Self, Turgeon, Jim Larranaga, John Beilein, Thad Motta, Shaka Smart). That is simply implausible; Calipari is not a next order genius at player development. All these guys know how to teach a guy to improve at moving without the ball, making moves, shooting, passing, rebounding, seeing the court, defending, etc. You can't isolate one improvement in any prospect's game that is some gift that only Calipari could have bestowed. Anthony Davis would have been the top pick in the draft if he played at VCU, Maryland, or Ohio State. Similarly, you can't judge Roy Williams by the fact that Harrison Barnes felt a bit short of expectations because as a counterexample Kendall Marshall exceeded expectations.

The genius of Calipari (as a coach and not just a recruiter) is getting a lot of very talented top prospects to mesh quickly into a team that can compete for (and occasionally win) national titles. But there are other paths to national titles than his (and he had a very nice mix of freshmen and sophs last year that will not be easy to replicate in other years).

Yes, the twins will be very high draft picks. They could play with any poster on this board as their head coach and be VHDPs. They could go to Northwest Idaho State Teachers College for a year, and they'd be VHDPs. They could certainly play for any major coach in America and they'd be VHDPs. So enough of the arguement that they will, under Cal, be VHDPs.

That said, I suspect, at the end of the day, and without the emotion of both schools wanting the twins badly, there would be more commonality than some think. Lots of the players you mentioned in your main post in your main post were...with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, overrated. They would have been no matter who their HC was. And Wall, Davis and Rose, would have been VHDPs no matter who their HC was. Guys' draft position isn't based on how well they mesh as a team. It's based on their perceived talent.