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Edsall and DeMatha

  • Tabe said...

    Besides our best player, we really haven't done well at Dematha recently!

    yea and besides the 15-20 other players they have sent elsewhere we ARE KILLING IT RECRUITING DEMATHA....

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino

  • jgdomino said...

    I'm not going to go through and list all the kids from Dematha since 2006 that haven't ended up at Maryland.

    The point of the post is that even with Franklin we were NOT doing very well at Dematha so everyone should stop acting like the sky is falling yet again....

    I'm pretty sure you've simultaneously managed to argue that both a) there aren't a lot of top kids from Dematha in recent years and b) we've missed out on tons and tons of kids from Dematha in recent years

    Tabe

  • We have a top 70 class, relax, it's going great.

    This post was edited by Devils0720 on 7/29/2011 at 1:35 PM

    Devils0720

  • The point is that Edsall is not even making the effort for a school that literally a 5-10 min drive away that has D-1 talent every year.

    The big knock on him was that he didn't recruit well at UConn. Obviously its harder to get kids to come to Storrs, but reports like this lend truth to the fear that many of us had - that hes a lazy recruiter, and that just b/c hes in a better area that it doesn't means he'll recruit better than he did at UConn.

    This post was edited by Pyroterp on 7/29/2011 at 1:37 PM

    Pyroterp

  • Tabe said...

    I'm pretty sure you've simultaneously managed to argue that both a) there aren't a lot of top kids from Dematha in recent years and b) we've missed out on tons and tons of kids from Dematha in recent years

    good try. Just go look at Scout, they had a ton of kids last year and this year. Before that maybe 3-6 a year not all BCS caliber. I'm not doing your HW for you.

    the point was we haven't done that well there. Their top players outside of Tate have gone elsewhere.
    Edwin Williams was a 2 star so was josh wilson.

    Derrik McPhearson was in williams class off to FL.

    Why is it ridiculous to think a coach would push a kid to a higher Profile college to be able to recruit kids at the HS level by saying we sent kids to FL alabama, penn state etc.. Sexier names than Maryland is when your 13 or 14 years old.

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino

  • Pyroterp said...

    The point is that Edsall is not even making the effort for a school that literally a 5-10 min drive away that has D-1 talent every year.

    The big knock on him was that he didn't recruit well at UConn. Obviously its harder to get kids to come to Storrs, but reports like this lend truth to the fear that many of us had - that hes a lazy recruiter, and that just b/c hes in a better area that it doesn't meas he'll recruit better than he did at UConn.

    I'd like to see how hes been a lazy recruiter thus far outside of this incident.

    again over reaction by the anti edsall crowd.

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino

  • You are absolutely right, you aren't even doing your own homework. Wilson was a three star and rated ninth in the state in '03. Ryan Mitch was one spot higher that same year. Wiseman and Jeff Allen were 5th and 7th a couple years later.

    I mean, yeah, perhaps you're right and it's some giant conspiracy, but on the other hand maybe the reality is that while we get a few of their top guys, we're missing out on guys that go to Alabama or Iowa because Alabama and Iowa are much better football programs .

    Tabe

  • Wilson had offers from Syracuse, Nc STATE and Maryland.... (but I never argued anything from 2000-2005)

    Maybe I just think big time. If a school seems to have a rift with a coach I say SCREW the school while many of you say SCREW THE COACH. You think PSU cares that McDevitt doesnt send kids to PSU. they say F McDevitt. I'll support the coach and the school until I see a reason not to. I hate that half the FANS here can not support Edsall and blast his every move. So even if I don't agree with the move I'll chalk it up to a misunderstanding before acting as if the world will end if we don't get Dematha kids.

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino

  • I'm not sure how anyone can defend the lack of contact when it was a prime opportunity to re-establish the relationship, with new people involved. Whether Dematha didn't have talent, or talent interested in MD or current talent, the bottom line is that it's ridiculous to alienate a football factory 2 miles from your school, regardless of the past. Edsall's casual response supports brook's assertion.

    TerpPride

  • Brooks has been coach since may 2nd. School has been out since June. so how much time could the staff possibly be spending at Dematha during that period. Considering they were there for the Spring Evaluation...

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino

  • didn't Dematha host a coaches clinic in the spring with Edsall as one of the speakers?

    esquire

  • :esquire said...

    didn't Dematha host a coaches clinic in the spring with Edsall as one of the speakers?

    yes..

    maybe edsall should stop in every morning on his way to college park and kiss brooks ass. Then watch when his 5 star players end up at other schools.

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino

  • this is obviously more about establishing a relationship between the staffs. I think it's evident that it's not a matter of evaluations at this point because we don't want what's available and school's been out.

    TerpPride

  • There are a few kids that come out of there every few years that are sure-fire can't-miss prospects, but there are more than a few schools locally and nationally that aren't enamored with the second, third, etc .. tier players at DeMatha. I had two coaches - one from a BCS school the other from a MEAC school - tell me at a camp last month that they don't want any more kids from DeMatha because they're amazed at how little they know about even the most basic schemes and they're soft.

    As an alum, it hurts to hear that but it goes along with what I've been hearing the last few years from local high school coaches and what I saw with my own eyes. McGregor had to go and Elijah is a good dude and all, but the perception is out there that if you want tough, well-coached kids who aren't babied, then DeMatha isn't where you're going to spend a lot of time.

    Edsall isn't a lazy recruiter by any stretch of the imagination. He just likes a certain type of player and if you want to know what kind of player that is, look at Nick Madaras. Cyrus Koundaijo is a better long-term prospect because of his athletic ability but Madaras is a better player right now and won't need someone to tell him to get mean once they put the pads on.

    If Edsall wants to win over locals in PG, he should reach out to the coaches at KLM. If he makes inroads there, with the way local football is progressing, he'll do better getting some of the big-name kids than he would dealing with alot of the high school coaches.

    StreetsDisciple

  • Brooks himself has alienated quite a few people who could make his life easier with recruits. One in particular had 2 6-5 300 pound kids and one 6-3 240 soon to be 9th grade de. He extended his hand in respect, while coach Brooks looked an walked past.
    A few weeks later, he heard about these kids from p.g. and the gyfl and wanted them. Long story short he had to look this coach in the face and said "I didnt know who you were." Dematha 0 Pallotti 3 players

    SWAGGERTERP

  • SWAGGERTERP said...

    Brooks himself has alienated quite a few people who could make his life easier with recruits. One in particular had 2 6-5 300 pound kids and one 6-3 240 soon to be 9th grade de. He extended his hand in respect, while coach Brooks looked an walked past.
    A few weeks later, he heard about these kids from p.g. and the gyfl and wanted them. Long story short he had to look this coach in the face and said "I didnt know who you were." Dematha 0 Pallotti 3 players

    They've alienated a lot of people locally with just the way they go about things.

    As a rule, they prohibited any of their kids from taking part in our camp because they keep everything in house and didn't want incoming players participating in the GYFL.

    Players were transferring out of there left and right because of how coaches were handling things and while they're still getting the majority of studs out of KLM and South Bowie, a lot of local coaches are making inroads because DeMatha not only cut back on their recruiting budget but schools are pointing at the dysfunction at the varsity level and using it as a tool to recruit against them.

    Good Counsel is going to dominate local football for the foreseeable future but I was surprised at some of the boys going to Palotti. One of my guys was all set to go to DeMatha until Palotti offered money. DeMatha didn't and that's that.

    StreetsDisciple

  • I've heard similar things about Coach Hull in regards to not wanting to see local talent unless they were top of the line.

    The Fox

  • jgdomino said...

    Maybe I just think big time. If a school seems to have a rift with a coach I say SCREW the school while many of you say SCREW THE COACH. You think PSU cares that McDevitt doesnt send kids to PSU. they say F McDevitt. I'll support the coach and the school until I see a reason not to. I hate that half the FANS here can not support Edsall and blast his every move. So even if I don't agree with the move I'll chalk it up to a misunderstanding before acting as if the world will end if we don't get Dematha kids.

    so you think edsall is big time?

    you think we have a program that can alienate local coaches because we are so "big time" that we don't need their recriuts? that we are so "big time" that we can alienate then, but walk in later when they have a star recruit and say "hey, we're maryland, we've been in the top 25 some time in the last decade" and recruits will swoon as their coaches attempt to sway them away (see gilman)?

    edsall's not all bad, but he's not all great either.

    Esquireski

  • To be big you have to think Big. If you act like a small fish you'll be one.

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino

  • jgdomino said...

    To be big you have to think Big. If you act like a small fish you'll be one.

    i don't disagree with you. but tell that to KA, the search committee and whoever else had their hand in the search.

    dare to be great? or dare to be a solid program?

    Esquireski

  • Esquireski said...

    i don't disagree with you. but tell that to KA, the search committee and whoever else had their hand in the search.

    dare to be great? or dare to be a solid program?

    I agree I wanted leach as badly as anyone else. But if Edsall doesn't want to let a HS coach hold him hostage then so be it. He thinks big and I like that thought. Other coaches seem to get along with Edsall pretty well.

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino

  • Not that it matters, but I don't think leach was going to be some recruiting svengali

    NJTerpfan1

  • Way too many local coaches/handlers view MD as a safety school. It's through no fault of anyone at the school, but that's how it viewed. A kid may dream of playing at LSU, Florida, USC, FSU, etc .. but know that even if that doesn't happen, I can always go to Maryland. It's not just MD football, Gary dealt with the same thing as does JTIII at Georgetown. Local kids, for the most part, don't grow up dying to place at the local schools.

    However, MD, whether people want to believe it or not, is better than that and the perception of the school in places like NJ, PA, NY, etc .. among local coaches is much better than it is here. Edsall and his staff have good relationships with big-time schools outside the area and they're looking for kids who want to be here and build something special instead of dealing with kids who see Maryland as where they might have to go if they don't get their "dream" offer.

    Judge the man by his results.

    StreetsDisciple

  • NJTerpfan1 said...

    Not that it matters, but I don't think leach was going to be some recruiting svengali

    Yeah, he recruited guys for his system but they weren't always highly recruited. The guy who replaced him at Texas Tech is recruiting at a higher level than Leach did.

    VAHooper3

  • StreetsDisciple said...

    Way too many local coaches/handlers view MD as a safety school. It's through no fault of anyone at the school, but that's how it viewed. A kid may dream of playing at LSU, Florida, USC, FSU, etc .. but know that even if that doesn't happen, I can always go to Maryland. It's not just MD football, Gary dealt with the same thing as does JTIII at Georgetown. Local kids, for the most part, don't grow up dying to place at the local schools.

    However, MD, whether people want to believe it or not, is better than that and the perception of the school in places like NJ, PA, NY, etc .. among local coaches is much better than it is here. Edsall and his staff have good relationships with big-time schools outside the area and they're looking for kids who want to be here and build something special instead of dealing with kids who see Maryland as where they might have to go if they don't get their "dream" offer.

    Judge the man by his results.

    This has to be the most accurate post in this whole thread.

    Pic Sigs are for losers.

    jgdomino