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I watch it as a go to, filler channel when surfing the Internet and nothing is on. Live sports or Michigan State programming will be an immediate must watch. If you have Raycomm it is light years better. BTN has issues but it has come a long way. Just keep it in perspective.
.....omg Gary commenting on a UMD game.....
just went from six to midnight
Again, Clemson flies everywhere except Atlanta. So when you see us playing in Winston Salem, we bused the team an hour to Greenville Spartanburg airport, flew them to WS, then bused them to campus. Ditto all the "close" tobacco rd schools. From there, obviously the northern schools would have had identical flight times to the Midwestern schools. Believe it or not, Pickens county SC is poorly positioned as a major air hub.
You're the lawyer so I'm not trying to debate you on this-I don't think Maryland would pursue this if they didn't think the legality of it could be challenged. These types of provisions have been negotiated by the parties in many of the other exits, and I see no reason why the ACC's is more airtight than the others. From the get-go Loh has said we refused to consent because he disagreed with the legal philosophy of the term, so while i agree the lack of consent is not the challenge, the basis for it (the idea that it's punitive) will be.
I do occasionally, it's actually not bad, many of the shows are well produced for league network.
There maybe a negotiation. The only reason there would be woud the risk of a court determining the clause unenforceable vs the risk toy set precedent and risk losing FSu, Clemson,
Plenty of schools pay full freight when leaving. I believe when VT and Miami left big east we paid full freight. (there is a reason that conferences all uped their exit fees several times in the
Last decade). Also....don't be so sure the Big10 wants Maryland to challenge it in court. The claim, I assume, would be the clause is an unenforceable liquidated damages clause. Well, what do you call the TV rights waiver for a decade other conferences use?
Md, if it leaves, is going to be writing a huge check. It may not matter if big10 is waiving around silly money. But it's going to be factor....maybe just not the deciding factor.
This is a good move by the Terps. Big 10 will be going to 16. So you will end up with 2 more ACC teams eventually.
Big 10 took easiest to pry away-Maryland with money issues.
Big 10 doesnt want to be the one to kill the ACC, so it will sit back now and let the big 12 or sec have a bite, and then it will grab its two. It will make a push for UNC, but if they refuse to budge, you are likely to see 2 of these 3:
3. Notre Dame
Many of Pitt's 58 "rushing attempts" were the result qb Tino Sunseri fleeing the pocket like a man whose clothes were on fire.
Still amazing to me the most boring conference in America is in the driver's seat in expansion.
Also amazing to me is how much money schools need to field collegiate-level athletic teams these days. I guess in theory everyone can build their own Cowboy Stadium tribute, or fire a coach after they lose a single game...I dunno, things just seem to be out of hand.
If I could get over us leaving the Southern Conference, you can get over the ACC.
Also, any plan that helps us get rid of eamhokie is a winner. ; )
Best post of the thread.
Didn't Gary just leave the BTN for Comcast? Will he come back if we change?
Real men use their hands.
Well Maryland in and of itself (yourself?) leaving probably wouldn't. But symbolically I think it would shake up the conference and shatter this nonsensical idea of ACC "stability".
But likely inviting UConn to replace you? You not recall all the vitriol from FSU fans over adding "basketball" schools like Cuse and Pitt? Well UConn would be that times 20. At least Pitt and Cuse have won national titles. UConn was I-AA ten years ago.
And if Maryland's able to negotiate the buyout down from the $50+M it wouldn't make leaving the ACC as costly as previously assumed. Because it's clear as day that our schools can make more money elsewhere and that the ACC just isn't as high-profile as it used to be.
I think it's pretty obvious how a Maryland departure would get the leave-the-ACC machine churning again in Tallahassee.
The Big Ten just dished out $24.6M/school this past year. That's BEFORE renegotiating their tv contract in a few years. Maryland could easily make more money in the Big Ten even after their loan repayment than they would make by staying in the ACC.
Except Big 10 doesn't have lacrosse
Doesn't Ohio State have a lacrosse team? And Michigan just started one?
Pros of Moving:
Big 10 Network
Potential for improvements in academics
The ACC isn't the same conference it was 10-15 years ago.
Short term cash flow (Not sure how the $50mm will get paid)
Freezing my ass of at away football games
Big 10 country is losing population, ACC country is gaining population
The idea of moving makes me sad but its as much that all this realignment talk makes me realize that the 9 team ACC that I grew up with and loved is gone and isn't coming back. Bringing a team along with us that isn't Rutgers (UVA would be great) would make me more excited about the move. It's in our best interest to move and think we should say yes but a small part of me would secretly be happy if Brit Kirwin torpedoed the whole thing.
You guys bus to FSU, BC, Miami, Clemson, GT? Will you bus to Cuse? Even Wake is over a 6-hour bus ride.
Also, what's so bad about Big Ten basketball? Yea, it's sometimes slow-paced and boring but have you not paid attention to the ACC lately? It's a lot of boring/ugly basketball the conference has been playing.
Michigan State, Michigan, Indiana, Purdue, Ohio State and Wisconsin are pretty legit basketball teams.
This post was edited by tricknole 20 months ago
Answered my own question: both Mich. and OSU play in ECAC, with Loyola and Denver, etc.
I think we bus everywhere but FSU, Miami, GT, and probably won't bus to Syracuse.
I think I agree with High Noon... It makes me sad to move, but if it really is the best long term decision, I'm fine with it. but if it gets un-done, I'm not gonna shed any tears.
I think it's kind of unrespectful- Ovie
I wonder if MD can parlay this into getting something from the ACC if we decide to stay?? (e.g. ACC championship in DC every 'x" years, home and home with duke reinstated, etc)
If the numbers work, we have to at least very seriously consider this. As many people have pointed out, it's wrong to base this on some kind of misplaced loyalty to the ACC; the ACC of our childhood is gone forever. And the fiunny thing is it was never very loyal to us -- from bailing when we got screwed in bowl slotting to only letting the basketball tournament to the leave the South once every presidential administration. Then again, if the ACC comes running at us with a bag of cash or other goodies to stay, then that can work out, too.
Before the budget crisis - I know at least football flew everywhere but UVA.
You mean like when they gave us acc games at capital center years ago. No dice, it'd have to be substantial.
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