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Both are great. Pretty tough comparison, especially trying to argue against a potential #1 draft pick. Dez just seems to have that intangible charismatic leadership and control of the game (except for some wild turnovers today) where you want him to have the ball on the last possession of a 2-point game.
There is no such thing as a better fit for a team than senior Greivis, if he had to defer more he gladly would have. He would be leading the country in assists with this team
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Len's the better player, but I can answer this one. Dez busts his ass to score and secure rebounds, whereas those things come easier to Alex. People perceive having to work harder as increased level of difficulty, which makes the feats seem more impressive. This discounts the fact that somebody who can do the same things without working as hard isn't taking easier plays; they are just very good.
Bro trust me I remember Steve Blake's career fine. For the record I was almost 11 when we won the Natty and I was really, really into Terps basketball by then. Blake's my fourth favorite Terp behind Juan, Greivis, and Byron Mouton (random, I know, but I loved him when I was a kid). I just don't think he's the better player. For Tabe's sake I'll leave it at that but my point was Greivis can do a hell of a lot more than score. And regardless of the myriad of scoring options on this squad we haven't had anybody yet show that they can consistently put the team on their back in crunch time. Hopefully Len is that guy, but he's disappeared in games as often as he's truly dominated them.
I'm sure he wouldn't just lob alley-oops to Len and Dez 5 times a game once he penetrated off the dribble!
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Greivis is having one heck of an NBA season this year. If Len is a better prospect, he has to be a borderline all star.
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Go pose that question to terpsfan68 on the Scout board. He's back on his Greivis was no good rant.
The clear answer is Len for the reason Brother Abstract posted, he can change a game on both ends. But I gotta say I love Seth Allen. He is the only person on the team who can breatk down a defense and create his own shot AND hit the 3 consistantly. But as I said before the season started in a year or 2 Laymen may be their best all around player.
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the fact that we're having this argument says they're playing well as a team, sharing the ball and allowing each player to take advantage of his skill set. We had two freshmen score over 20 points yesterday and neither are the freshies I was excited about coming into this season. Man I love this team, with all respect to Dave Neil and those defending him, sit back and enjoy the ride cause this team is light years better. GO TERPS!
How will Layman compare wtih the Michigan transfer, starting next year? Both are big guys who can shoot well from deep.
Backcourt it's Dez. Front court it's Len. But you can put Seth right there with Dez in terms of ability to just give him the ball and get out his way. I give Dez the nod overall because he's light years better than Seth as a defender and rebounder.
Easy. Toughness is the difference between those two. And Dez is the best player on this team, which isn't the same as who's the best NBA prospect. Though, I see a lot of DWade in Dez.
People are underrating Dez defensive contribution. He has an elite combo of size, strength, speed, and a great motor and for an off guard affects a TON of plays for us on both sides.
Gun to my head I'm keeping Len but this isn't a clear choice.
I love them both, but scoring and securing rebounds should be easier when you're 7'1.
I thought it was really impressive that when we needed a stop yesterday, Turge put Dez on Erick Green.
Layman is a 3 and Smotrycz is a 4. Smotrycz has like 40 pounds on Layman
It makes more sense to contrast them. Layman is a 3, and Smotz is a 4. Smotz is bigger, and a better shooter. Layman is more athletic, and potentially a better defender.
Dez Wells is obviously our most athletic player but Seth Allen is a true assassin and I think he could develop into a great player. The guy can handle and his left handed stroke is sweet. He can score from anywhere and I love that he can do the pull up jumper from anywhere including mid range. That is a lost art and Dixon was the best at it. Seth Allen also has some serious hops and you can tell he loves to play basketball. It is truly unbelievable that he was the lowest rated of all of our freshman. He could start for this team easily.
Allen is a true assassin and I think he will blow up but you cannot help but lean Dez here. Anyone notice how he was just playing great D, letting everyone else get there's yesterday and the minute VT cut it to 11 he just took over. Drove to the rack, finished, got to the line and before you know it we are back up 20.
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Allen is going to be very good, but really needs to get better ( as do all of our guards) at handling pressure defense.
One thing I think is cool about this thread is that there is no one definitive answer. Whether it's Len, Dez, or whoever, different guys are stepping up in different games... Turge has put together a team with great depth...and he uses his great depth. Will have its greatest impact in late February and March, when teams with lesser depth will be run down.
Don't take me 100% literally, but this team reminds me (in concept) of the old Celtics of the 1960s. They never, IIRC, had anyone who lead the league in scoring. But they won the NBA title almost yearly. Their great depth (Russell was likely their best player, but remember Cousy, Sharman, Nelson, the Jones boys...), and teamwork led them to titles, even without a scoring leader. Their teamwork and chemistry were critical.
Allen is great but our guards collectively need to work on improving our turnover margin.
I like it but I sort of expect it. He has all the tools but I think what will set him apart from a lot of guys is he has a great motor and you can tell he takes pride in defense.
We were much better at it yesterday except for that stretch in the 2nd half where VT started to press us. We're likely going to see more of that against FSU and they have quicker and better athletes.
has to be Gronkowski [congrats]
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