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This is one of the things that has me kind of leaning towards the SEC in preference if it went down. It;s a better geographical/cultural fit, and probably better money longterm; plus the added benefit of REALLY screwing State over. I think if we end up in the SEc with UVA, then IMO Delaney things long and hard about VT and Duke (better hoops program, better academic rep, bigger national brand, plus same access to NC market) rather than State.
And b/c of that, State is either shipped out to the B12 or gets left in the cold. Either one of those makes me snicker.
Here's a thought exercise : what would Delany do if UNC said 'yes, but only if you invite Duke too'. This would violate the first commandment of conference expansion 'thou shalt not overlap thy media markets'. Of course it could be argued that Duke and UNC's national following is large enough to overcome that principle. Then again it would also mean ingesting a truly putrid football program.
This post was edited by Dr_Hobo 17 months ago
And Cutcliffe signed an extension through 2019 this week.
I wouldn't throw too many stones in that glass house of yours.
This post was edited by NOD6216 17 months ago
even in our current respective states, I would never, never, never, ever trade football programs.
Yeah but if your football program sucks, just be a bandwagon fan of an SEC team!
Michigan fan here. Welcome to the B10. From our end, all the reliable chatter is that there is zero chance the B10 will stop at 14. It's only a question of who we add and when we do it. Below is the list of potential candidates generally being tossed around. Some are obviously far less likely than others, but with the way realignment has gone the past few years I wouldn't count any of them out.
Simple question. Out of just the ACC schools listed below, in UMD's opinion (a) who should we want and (b) who is most likely to be receptive to an offer.
2. Notre Dame* - not AAU
5. Miami - not AAU
8. BC - not AAU
9. Syracuse - not AAU (recently kicked out)
10. NCSt - not AAU
11. VT - not AAU
* Extremely unlikely.
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UVA and UNC
Lock 'em up!
UNC might be able to swallow hard and pick the SEC over the Big 10, but I can't see any way UVA would ever make that selection if they had a choice in the matter.
The general view on UNC is they are the #1 target on the list after UT and ND and Delany would love to get them, but (a) they would never leave the ACC unless it's 100% certain they have no choice and (b) they would never leave Duke and possibly NCSt behind. True or untrue?
This post was edited by MrWoodson 17 months ago
I don't see why Duke would be all that tied in with UNC. They're a small private school and they'd schedule each other in basketball regardless.
The NC State thing is tricky, but you have to figure there's a very good shot they land on their feet in the SEC, although I'm not sure how much communication there would be between the conferences about that matter.
if the ACC crumbles where does Duke wind up? a basketball based conference with the likes of Georgetown would seem like the best bet.
Duke definitely ends up in the BOD ACC/Big East leftovers conference. But that's not the worst thing from a basketball standpoint and lord knows they couldn't care less about football
Notre Dame (basketball)
Even though there are obvious differences between Duke and Carolina, they do seem to act in concert fairly often and seem to have aligned themselves to one another when it comes to most ACC matters. Is bringing Duke to the Big 10 with Carolina a non-starter? Obviously they bring nothing to the table football-wise and don't bring a unique geographic market, but they're a national basketball brand that would help the BTN all over the country from the basketball side of things. Obviously the academics and non-revenue sports are extremely strong as well. This wave of expansion is about football, but could Duke be the exception because they bring so much to the table otherwise? I have no idea if they'd want to go to the Big 10 even if they knew UNC was going and had the choice to join them as the 16, but I would think they'd at least be in the mix along with UVA and GT as possible 16s if UNC is the 15 and if they're what it takes to get UNC then maybe that would be the way to go.
Another question is, How tied is the Big Ten to the geographical proximity issue? I'm guessing that, in the current state of college athletics, the Big Ten would place a smaller value on whether a new member is within a neighboring state to the state of an existing member; with that said, if the Big Ten wants to maintain that position, how could they invite UNC without having UVA?
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Say I'm old-fashioned, say I'm over the hill....
I'm not sure this would be a huge issue if you end up with two NC schools. I do think GT is not remotely viable from a distance perspective, but supposed experts keep dropping their name in the conversation.
No. Delany loves "brands" and Duke is a national brand. I think he would take the pair of UNC/Duke in a second, but if they are going to hold out until the bitter end to see if the ACC can be saved I'm not sure he will wait that long. The B10 has been jerked around a couple times by ND and I don't think he is going to wait around if there is a chance we are not going to get them and be left with scraps. In that case, I think he will grab Syracuse before they formally join the ACC. Once he does that, we will be down to one spot and UNC/Duke will not be an option without going to 18 (which I don't think Delany wants to do).
The B10 strongly prefers contiguous markets, just like they strongly prefer AAU membership, but it's not set in stone. They will make an exception for the right school(s).
I legitimately think UNC would love to join the SEC to have Kentucky as its rival and just schedule duke every year. Win win for them.
“Route 1, where everybody meets.” ~Nick Faust #5
Plus, Elton Brand.
Except that the UNC faculty and president would gag over an association with such a suck-a$$ academic conference as the SEC. I think UNC will hang in until the roof falls in to stay in the ACC. They are part of the Carolina mafia who control the show. Going anywhere else makes them second fiddle, but if they do, I think they would go to the B10 before any other conference, just to stay with a higher level of academics.
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if you are asking the fanbase, this in spades. I'd be beyond ecstatic to go SEC. Absolute Brinks truck worth of cheddar, cultural fit, we'd run the joint in hoops save for UK (and that rivalry would get kicked up about 6 notches), as well as most non rev sports, baseball program is already on par, and the football culture would force us to commit serious resources to getting over the hump with a legitimate football program.
And the "SEC East" with UVA and UNC on board would actually look very good from an academic standpoint, hopefully enough to appease the ivory tower crowd.
The sadist streak in me wants the Big 10 to pick up Ga Tech and UVa. Both AAU.
Then the real fun starts:
UNC, Duke, Va Tech and NC State fighting to get the last two SEC slots and avoid the Big 12/Big East.
FSU, Miami and Clemson running for the Big 12 to avoid the Big East.
WF, Pitt, Syracuse, and BC raise ACC exit fee to $ 1 Billion retroactively.
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MD fans would generally want UNC and UVA because of history and those schools want to do well in bball, soccer, lax, and field hockey which are MD's strongest sports. I think anyone can see UNC would be an asset to any conference except for some SEC Walmart fan who couldn't tell you the name of his "school"'s basketball coach because all he cares about is football. I think MD fans prefer UVA but I think an objective case can be made for VT, Syracuse, and Duke. I don't understand the interest in GT; UGA casts a huge shadow over them. The Big10 would not gain a toehold in the Deep South adding just them plus I feel they are one bad football coach away from being less relevant than MD due to the shadow of the SEC. FSU was understandably not on your list, but they may be the most valuable asset to the ACC as it is currently constituted.
Question for the Big Tenners - IF the B10 does indeed bring in UVA and UNC, what do you think the odds are of seeing the conference tourney ever coming to DC, at least a few times? I realize it's not in "Big Ten country" but it's still a destination city that everyone should want to visit.
Also remember you can gamble in Maryland. We're basically Vegas now.
How amazing would it be if Duke and UNC just followed us to the B10?
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