In partnership with CBSSports.com
Online Now 820
The Web's No. 1 forum for coverage and discussion of Terps sports
Visitor discussion of University of Maryland and college sports
A place for lively discussion for all other sports unrelated to Maryland athletics
Feedback for IMS and 247Sports
You have no favorite boards.
The most viewed topics.
The most replied to topics.
The most up-voted topics.
The most down-voted topics.
The most up-voted posters.
The most down-voted posters.
The most followed posters.
When I think about Chris Wilcox, it's largely about his dominating game against Kansas in the NCAA Tournament and beyond. And I will probably always remember him like that. But it's not really a fair snapshot of Chris Wilcox's career here at Maryland.
Wilcox and Len have a lot in common. They were both born with unnatural gifts (whether size or athleticism or both), they both came into college very raw, they are both NBA Lottery Picks who never dominated the college game. They obviously have differences too, although I'd suggest they're closer to the same player (in college) than they are different.
As for their college game, Wilcox had the pleasure of being the 4th/5th option on an extremely good team. He played opposite one of the country's best big men and was fed the post by two of the best guards to ever play at Maryland. This allowed him easy buckets, the ability to cheat on D and help out to block shots. He also had a very deep group (Tahj and Sleepy) behind him so he didn't experience a lot of pressure to stay foul free.
Len had to be the stasr - especially on D. While Shaq & Mitchell might develop into awesome players, this year they were little more than stop gap to spell him for minutes at a time. He had mostly garbage entry passes and was forced to create largely on his own. We all watched this year, so I don't need to spell this out much more.
Below are links to each player's stats which are strikingly similar for their sophomore seasons.
QUESTION: Do you think Chris Wilcox fares better than Alex Len this year? In which categories?
You could have stuck Wilt Chamberlain in this offense and we still would have stunk.
Gary and the flex offense made players perform better.
So far, Turge's offense has not made his current crop of players perform better.
Sort of like viagra? Because clearly you don't know basketball.
Of course this team would have been better with Wilcox, without a doubt. I got tired of the announcers, especially in the NIT, blaming all the other players for "not geting the ball to Len more often." Had they been watching throughout the season the wouldn't have said that. Len too often did not know what to do with the ball once he did get it inside. A turnover or missed shot was usually the result. Wilcox as junior would have been a dominant force on this team. Wilcox sophomore would have been better than Len.
great thread Colfax.
As you seem to imply above, Wilcox and Len were very similar players with similar numbers. I think Wilcox's strength would help him with some of the out-of position stuff that Len had to deal with. However, during his sophomore season (at least until the end), I don't think he'd have been comfortable being the star. He often looked out of place on the court. He certainly wouldn't have been a leader. I also think he would have gotten into foul trouble and probably picked up a handful of technical fouls because of his attitude.
Wilcox's biggest advantage would have been in the uptempo pace, even tho Len ran the floor well. But we didn't play much up tempo until the end, so it's kind of a non issue to tout his athleticism over Len's (which was also very good).
I'd put shot blocking at even, but Len's overall defense as better. Len learned his positioning well and his extra height made up for his lower vertical.
Wilcox's other big advantage is strength. I think this gets him a few extra points and maybe half a rebound a game that Len didn't get. But I think it also lends itself to him being called for more fouls and a tendency to play lazy on defense and rely on strength and athleticism rather than fundamentals.
What I really suspect is everyone on the board would hate Chris Wilcox if he played for this team. He would average maybe 3 points more than Len, but the rest of his stats would be about the same. People would just expect more out of him because of some imagined look test and his unbelievable athleticism.
Thanks for starting a great discussion on a boring Friday.
Chris Wilcox could actually execute a jump hook.
Damm you for making me watch that whole Kansas game over again!
actually after watching the game the question that occurs to me is, what if this team had had Steve Blake instead of Peshon? Seemed like every basket we scored was off a Blake assist.
we're a final four caliber team with Blake or GV on this team.
And again, Wilcox was a beast in that Kansas game, but never really played that way during the season. He fluctuated from decent to great. Same as Len.
we're a final four caliber team with Lebron on this team.
There's not really much argument that Chris Wilcox demonstrated himself to be a better college basketball player, so I will take Alex Len.
I'm about as optimistic as anyone but that may be a reach. With Blake or GV (senior year) we'd have been in contention in the ACC and in the tourney for sure.
What? PG is the main, possibly only issue with this year's team. We would be sick nasty with Blake or GV.
Iowa manhandled us at point, at the 2, at the 3 and at the 4. and they were much smarter across the board. then they got blown out by baylor. we were 1 player away from being competitive with baylor. not close to final 4 quality.
We had GV for 4 years. In NONE of those years were we ever close to being "sick nasty."
PG play was a huge issue but our players are also dumb as hell. GV or Blake wouldn't have made them any smarter. Another 2nd round NCAA exit would have been reasonable though.
This argument doesn't make sense. GV didn't have the current players around him. That's kind of the point.
lol. If we had a real point guard, "manhandling" us at the other positions would not have happened.
There's not much difference between the 20th best team and the 40-50th best team, which is what we were. To say that subbing out our worst scholarship player for an ACC player of the year wouldn't have made that much difference is...erroneous. Of course the whole hypo/argument is silly and pointless, but I've never been above silly and pointless so why start now.
In 06-07, DJ Strawberry, Mike Jones, EI, (junior) James Gist is a better group than Alex Len, Wells, Nick Faust
In 07-08, senior James Gist is better than Alex Len (in terms of production). Hayes is better than Faust. Osby is better than both Clear and Shaq.*
In 08-09, I agree that our talent level is worse than that of the current team.
In 09-10, we have senior Hayes, senior Milbourne, soph Mosley (who was extremely efficient -- that was his best year) and freshman Jordan Williams. That group may not be as athletic as the current group but they are 10 times smarter.
And you have to factor in the fact that Gary is a better coach than Turge. So no, adding GV or Blake (lol) wouldn't have made this team "sick nasty" by any means.
*I do agree that you can say that GV made them better but still, on a talent stand point, at least those guys are very similar.
This post was edited by Turtle Roar 12 months ago
just a bunch of no
I mean you just said Gist is better than Len
nobody said Greivis wouldn't make much difference. and even getting to be the 20th best team is still extremely far away from final 4 quality. We still wouldn't be top 5 in the Big Ten.
Yes, I said it. Do you want me to post the stats or do you want to go look them up yourself?
My god people really are convincing themselves that Len had some kind of outstanding career at Maryland. Of course James Gist senior was better than Alex Len sophomore.
True. I recall that underclassman Hayes got a lot of poster grief. His defense, ball handling and lack of speed were frequently cited. Only later in his junior season, and as a senior, was he given consistent poster lover, as his game improved.
247Sports In partnership with CBS Sports