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Last season was a catclysmic event. Friedgen dealt Maryland football a shit hand in 2007 and 2008 and Edsall dealt Maryland a shit hand with an iron fist. To lay the blame solely on Edsall is shortsighted. Lest we forget our previous 2-10 season was not all that far back in the annals of history.
I really couldn't care less about how rigid he is. What matters to me is whether he's an effective manager. Effective managers resolve issues, they don't create them. Effective managers don't turn bad hands into shitstorms.
As much as you want to lay it all on the senior class, the rebuttal is that the very same class was productive on a 9 win team a season before. Moreover, it's arguable that the OLs and DLs should have been better and deeper than the previous year. It's also arguable that the majority of the players returning saw a drop in effectiveness. So I'm not sure it's just about the seniors. what you've done is effectively reiterate Edsall's mid-year defense of poor talent. Except the same players played well and much tougher in almost all the games the previous year. Your Edsall sucked because his players sucked isn't going to work. Edsall sucked and too many of his players gave up on him. that's what took place.
Good coaches maximize their talent just like good bosses do the same in the real world.
Where did I saw "all?"
And no, not much of that senior class was productive the year before. Chism, for example, was horrible.
Our 9-4 record had way more to do with Torrey Smith than most people want to acknowledge. Losing him was a gigantic deal for the offense that we clearly never recovered from.
The team sucked because the talent sucked and because Edsall sucked, which is what the pure blind haters don't see at all. It was NOT one sided.
Torrey Smith was good, but he can't throw himself the ball or block out on the edge for himself or keep NCSTATE from coming back from a 27 point second half deficit. He was a good weapon. That's all.
Torrey in 2010 had as many yards as last years top yardage guys Dorsey & McCree combined. He had 12 TD's which were only 2 less than what the entire team had last year. Thus I would say his impact was huge on the skill difference between the two teams.
If we want to start pointing fingers I can't help but blame Ronnie Tyler for getting busted and then sucking from then on out. I think it was Crowton/Edsall's fault for continuing to play him but that guy really crapped the bed last year and the rest of the team had to sleep in it..
RECEIVING GP No. Yards Avg TD
Tyler 9 18 158 8.8 1
Nancy Pelosi - The Gift that Keeps on Giving..
it only took 'goon one year to go down in the anals of history
This post was edited by RDurr 22 months ago
Please. If we'd made the same hire 1 year prior his leash would be so much longer with fans.
Fridge lucked into a decent record with a mediocre team that played a shitty schedule and padded expectations for the program short-term that were way beyond reason based on what all previous indicators had shown.
No one in their right mind thinks that Edsall is a better hire than Leach, but he also didn't single handedly demolish some sort of football powerhouse here.
Danny O'Brien sure looked like a much better QB when Torrey was on the field, didn't he? And his dominance over NC State would keep them from beating us ever because he's the fucking man
I disagree with you on Edsall but this is such an awesome post. Next time work in how Asians suck at driving and I will come to your house and high five you. No need to get defensive because I promise I am barely even joking.
And back to the root of this thread...who the hell didn't give him a chance? I just about whipped my dick out in the bar during that Miami game. Am I just spacing on all the doom and gloom prior to the numerous ridiculously embarassing embarassments?
This post was edited by TheGreenBastard 22 months ago
He's not the savviest guy in front of the cameras, which kills him, but as a percentage of total roster, the men's basketball team had significantly more turnover after one year of a new regime than the football program INCLUDING essentially running off our best player.
And also Asians can't drive. I once saw an Asian woman driving on the wrong side of the island and instead of simply turning at the next turn to minimize damage, she slammed the car in reverse to go all the way back to the intersection she originally fucked up at.
Right, I felt good after that Miami game. I knew Miami was depleted, but I still figured we beat a middle of the pack ACC team in the first game and that we could get better from there. Yeah, there were injuries, but there were other questionable things taking place.
Yes, there definitely were. I think our talent was better than 2-10. BUT I certainly think that our talent level was much closer to 2-10 than it was to the 9-4 that set our expectations.
he didn't demolish a powerhouse, but he set the program back 10 years.
At MOST he set the program back TWO years...to you know...the last time we went 2-10.
And he followed up that 2-10 season with a hell of a lot better moves and recruiting than what Freidgen followed up his 2-10 debacle with. Edit to say we'll see what that translates to on the actual field, though.
This post was edited by ravensnterps 22 months ago
lol, you cant just look at it as just one bad season record. we threw away 12 million dollars away on a coach that did EVERYTHING within his power to alienate the fanbase. Revenue from tickets and merchandise/concessions will be way down. This is probably a 30 million dollar debacle for an athletic department already in financial crisis mode. The prospects of attracting a top coach and having the money to do it anytime soon is next to nil. We will feel the reverberations from this move for a decade, easily.
Friedgen went 75-50 at Maryland. We brought in Edsall to improve on that, he has some work to do........
You want to take a look at the record of Maryland the decade before Ralph? While Edsall did not walk into a great situation, it's not like he was walking into a worse situation then 10 years earlier.
No shit that the Freidgen era began significantly better than the Edsall era.
But in his last 7 years? Our pinnacle was winning the Champs Sports Bowl.
2004: No Bowl
2005: No Bowl
2006: Champs Sports Bowl
2007: Emerald Bowl
2008: Humanitarian Bowl
2009: No Bowl
2010: Military Bowl
Freidgen had completely alienated the fanbase too. You forget that because of his COY award, but the year prior we were the laughingstock because everyone wanted him gone but we couldn't afford to fire him. All the shit RDurr listed? That'll go away with a 9-4 season, too, just the same as it did for the fat man. 75-50 is all well and good but those last 7 years he was 44-42.
Let's not revise history here. He walked into a decent situation...at worst it wasn't as good as everyone thought, including him. Up to the 2nd or 3rd game, I didn't see anything from him or the staff to suggest we were no good. What HAPPENED is we lost players through removal or injuries, we had bad coaching, we had players who lost motivation for whatever reason and the result was a shitstorm. then the excuses started coming out. There was no forewarning from him otherwise...it's excuse making. Another bad sign management sign. The wrong mix of personnel and management can cause underperformance-it happens all the time in the business world...and most reasonable people don't just chalk it up to having no talent as ravensnterps alleges. Like I said, it's a low hanging fruit analysis, the team sucked therefore the players must have sucked. I applaud the offseason mvoes, but let's not be naive enough to think it was all voluntary. Nonetheless, the moves are in the right direction. With that said, we could very well be a 2-3 win team next year so let's not start celebrating. He has a lot of work to do to correct many of his mistakes...it's completely shortsighted to think he has it under control and that the problem went out the door with the players.
This stuff is common place and the worst managers and people I see are the ones who assume folks who depart were the trouble. Oftentimes it's a combination and it usually centers on the management ability of the person at the top.
Fridge was done. that doesn't mean we reset Edsall's expectations. We had financial and on the field goals, especially with the players we had...Edsall failed and then some. He has negative equity while being paid for much more. You can cite to Fridge's 2-10 season but at least he had equity, despite it dwindling at that point.
The differences between Turgeon and Edsall are plentiful, for one Turgeon was a guy the fan base liked from day 1 and he's immensly more personable, but the bigger difference, IMO, is that Turgeon did a much better job at managing expectations than did Edsall.
I agree with most things you say - I've said it in this thread 100 times. The season was the result of being both dealt a shitty hand and having no idea how to play with it for Edsall.
The talent level speaks for itself, too, IMO. We didn't have a single player from the senior class drafted. I'm not making that piece up, the 2007 recruiting class was horrific. Couple that with key injuries PLUS incredible mismanagement of personnel and you get the shitstorm we had last year. It's just that most people ignore the first 2 of those 3 criteria and only focus on the incredible mismanagement of personnel which was only a part of the overall problem.
I think we had the talent to max out as a team that met the minimum bowl qualifications last year. I think our expectations were set way too high because of overacheiving the year prior. I think with a better coach we end up wtih about 5-6 wins last year and Edsall got us only 2. But to say he set the program back 10 years is ludicrous, especially since we have Under Armour pumping tons of money into the program and Mike Locksley bringing tons of recruits into the program.
I don't think that whatever Ralph did to alienate the fanbase, it was in the same galaxy of alienating the fan base that Edsall did.
And given RE was brought in to improve on Ralph (75-50), that means he now must go 73-40 to merely match Fridge in overall WL record. Let's say the team goes 4-8 this season. Then he must go 69-32 beginning in year 3 to merely match Fridge's overall WL record. How many of you see that happening?!!
I wouldn't say that. It was middle of the road.
Go back and read message board posts from around December 2009.
Most years we are a 5-8 win team talentwise, how that shakes out is base on execution. There's no way you can convince me or most others that we were at best only a 5 win team with great coaching, you only say that because it supports your talent argument.
Edsall was not dealt a shitty hand, he made his shitty hand.
Turgeon did get more rope, perhaps because of lower expectations from the coaching change (everyone expected Edsall to be an upgrade, it's hard to assume an upgrade over Gary for most terp fans) and the ready to go talent on each squad. The difference is that Edsall has made a strong case for himself to be a hypocrite. You chalk it up to personality differences, many of us chalk it up to character. We're all for discipline-it involves accountability...where was his. where was his sacrifice of individualism while he was tweeting about everything? why was he tooting the horns of pro players developed under the predecessors while publicly questioning the program under the Fridge. He's self-serving...his players and the fans from Conn have attested to that he's done the same here. You want to know why Turgeon got rope...he's not pulling on the other end.
So, we replaced him with a guy, who was basically the same in his somewhat weaker conference over that 7 year span. Also, we were a competitive 2-10 team in 2009. I know we were still 2-10 and that's terrible, but we were in a lot of games late. It felt like last year, we had no cahnce in several games by early third quarter, and then the NCSTATE debacle. Holy shit! That completely cemented Edsall's worth to me right there. Holy fucking shit!
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